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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 11:11 AM
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I need to move a car from one location to another. Car does not have Tax MOT and is not insured at all.

Whats the legalities on towing the car, rather than getting it trailered etc.

I'm assuming illegal?

Car is going to be stored when it reaches its destination, i.e. not on the way to an MOT station etc.

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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 11:16 AM
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You will have to trailer it.
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 11:24 AM
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looked into moving a car like that myself this week, and the AA said use a trailerboard (lights/indicators etc) with the reg of the towing vehicle on it. also try and make sure the tyres on the towed car are legal too. thats what they said anyway. but if in any doubt trailer it.
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 11:28 AM
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If you use one of the solid connectors that means noone has to be in the car behind (kind of like an A frame but all 4 wheels of the car behind can stay on the ground) then I think you are OK so long as the tyres are legal and it has a lightboard and reg plate.

If someone has to be in the car behind steering and braking etc then it needs tax, MOT and insurance AFAIK
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil
If you use one of the solid connectors that means noone has to be in the car behind (kind of like an A frame but all 4 wheels of the car behind can stay on the ground) then I think you are OK so long as the tyres are legal and it has a lightboard and reg plate.

If someone has to be in the car behind steering and braking etc then it needs tax, MOT and insurance AFAIK
even with a A frame you will need the car to be taxed mot'd and insured if you use a dolly ie lifting the DRIVE wheels of the road then its classed as a trailer
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 12:05 PM
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If you use one of the solid connectors that means noone has to be in the car behind (kind of like an A frame but all 4 wheels of the car behind can stay on the ground) then I think you are OK so long as the tyres are legal and it has a lightboard and reg plate.

If someone has to be in the car behind steering and braking etc then it needs tax, MOT and insurance AFAIK
even with a A frame you will need the car to be taxed mot'd and insured if you use a dolly ie lifting the DRIVE wheels of the road then its classed as a trailer
How come? There are no drive wheels (as the engine is off and car in neutral) and there is no one in the car... Therefore it is a trailer?
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 12:35 PM
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If you use one of the solid connectors that means noone has to be in the car behind (kind of like an A frame but all 4 wheels of the car behind can stay on the ground) then I think you are OK so long as the tyres are legal and it has a lightboard and reg plate.

If someone has to be in the car behind steering and braking etc then it needs tax, MOT and insurance AFAIK
even with a A frame you will need the car to be taxed mot'd and insured if you use a dolly ie lifting the DRIVE wheels of the road then its classed as a trailer
How come? There are no drive wheels (as the engine is off and car in neutral) and there is no one in the car... Therefore it is a trailer?
Phil i agree 100% but its are stuppid rules in this country Its the same as pushing a motor bike if the keys in it your ment to have it mot' taxed insured

I was going to A frame my cossie to my mums in essex from oxford untill i found out we use to A frame the Offroad 4x4 racers yrs ago untill the poilice standed stopping people on there way home Now 95% trailer them to the advents

I cant rember the persons user name but someone on the board found alot of usefully info about A framing car
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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I always thought that as long as you have good tyres and use a tow bar(not a bit of rope ) and a trailerboard then you were covered by your insurance ive towed ALOT of car's that way and never had any problems with the police
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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I always thought that as long as you have good tyres and use a tow bar(not a bit of rope ) and a trailerboard then you were covered by your insurance ive towed ALOT of car's that way and never had any problems with the police
I had towed alot of trailers that weight over 3/4 of a ton / 750kg before i had my hgv did'nt get stopped
And anther law is if you past your car test after 1997 your max you can drive is 3500kg and max towing weight is 750kg

small things that change over the years and its a case of WHEN you get stopped a checked by the VOSA People you will find out

Not enough info or info thats commen nolage (sp)
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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The only legal way to move an un taxed/Mot/insured car is on a trailer.

Forget dollies,,, you fall foul of the unbraked trailer weight limit.
Forget Steerable "A" frames,,you fall foul of the unbraked trailer weight limit.
Forget a Rope or Bar, it needs to be taxed/insured/mot'd.

Watch out if you trailer it, you can easily fall foul of the Max permitted towing limit for the car/van and not haveing a licence allowing towing.


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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 04:45 PM
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Car licences held before 1 January 1997
All drivers who passed a car test before 1 January 1997 retain their existing entitlement to tow trailers until their licence expires. This means they are generally entitled to drive a vehicle and trailer combination up to 8.25 tonnes MAM. They also have entitlement to drive a minibus with a trailer over 750kgs MAM.

Car driving licence first obtained since 1 January 1997
Drivers who passed a car test on or after 1 January 1997 are required to pass an additional driving test in order to gain entitlement to category B+E and all larger vehicles. In addition to the new driving tests, drivers of vehicles which fall within subcategories C1, C1+E, D1 and D1+E also have to meet higher medical standards.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/Motoring/Dr...073&chk=BIZx8Z
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 04:58 PM
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Thanks for the input folks Looks like its a trailer then!
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 05:16 PM
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Category B: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM and with up to eight passenger seats
Category B vehicles may be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM.

For example:

a vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.25 tonnes could be driven by the holder of a category B entitlement. This is because the MAM of the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes and also the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the drawing vehicle

Whereas..........

the same vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes when coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.5 tonnes would fall within category B+E. This is because although the combined weight of the vehicle and trailer is within the 3.5 tonnes MAM limit, the MAM of the trailer is more than the unladen weight of the drawing vehicle. Vehicle manufacturers normally recommend a maximum weight of trailer appropriate to their vehicle. Details can usually be found in the vehicle’s handbook or obtained from car dealerships. The size of the trailer recommended for an average family car with an unladen weight of around 1 tonne would be well within the new category B threshold.

Category B+E: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM towing trailers over 750kgs MAM
Category B+E allows vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM to be combined with trailers in excess of 750kgs MAM. In order to gain this entitlement new category B licence holders have to pass a further practical test for category B+E. There is no category B+E theory test. For driver licensing purposes there are no vehicle/trailer weight ratio limits for category B+E
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