Jimboxr4x4

Got a 24v at the moment but also have the cash to change it for a 4x4 saph. If I did I would only take it to stage 1 so how much faster would this be than my current 24v? In a nutshell is a stage one gonna be much faster?

Please only replies from people who have actually driven / owned both.

Also, what is a typical 0-60 and 1/4 mile time for a stage 1 putting out say 280 bhp?

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

I still think my 24v is loads better round town, so much essier to drive all the time.

A stage 1 cossie is not a lot faster.

Steve.

Jim Galbally

well, theyre faster thats for sure, and they feel SIGNIFICANTLY faster, as there harder hiting

stage1 times? 14ish qtr mile, 0-60 in mid to high 5s?

i hink you really need to drive one (a good one!) to know if its for you or not.

RS_Ant

Personally id take the 24v to topboss performance TBH and let Fitzroy have a tinker with it

http://www.topbossperformance.co.uk/v624coseng.htm

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

I have done a 14.7 1/4 in the 24v @ 92mph.

Steve.

Jim Galbally

14.8 for me at similar speeds.

stage1 will be hitting about 100ish over the 1/4m

steve#s definately more qualified to comment than i am as ive only driven a few cossies

Jimboxr4x4

Cheers chaps. So the 1/4 and 0-60 times are not that different. Obviously a stage 1 is going to be quicker but if its not that much quicker I can't see the point in changing as I get cheap insurance (Ł260). But there's still something about a genuine cossie.

RS Ant - erm not too sure on that one!

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

I have also had a stage 1 4x4 saph as well

Steve.

Jimboxr4x4

They are so cheap at the moment that i'm tempted but the missues won't wear two sierra's on the front garden so the 24v would have to go. Just don't want to get rid and then regret it. I guess there is also the reliability factor.

SapphyMike

i havent driving a 24v sierra, however, the NMS gunship stage 1 is completely different to the normal stage 1, thats the one i would be considering.

Jim Galbally

nothing wrong with a well maintained cossie mate, they only have a bad name coz of the shonky ones

mark

give me the 24v to look after

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

What do you want ?

Smooth seemless 24v power or the kick of a turbo ?

Im lucky i have both

24v is much more relaxing to drive but still fun

My cossie 4i is a great laugh but i would not want to use it every day.

Steve.

Jimboxr4x4

I always fancied a gunship stage 1 as that sounds a really sensible way to get good power and torque fairly safely. I'm going to keep my eyes open for a decent 4x4 but not do anything to rash and probably try and keep the 24v for the time being.

As much as I love my 24v its also the fact that it isn't a cossie (even though everyting has been uprated to cossie). There is just something about way a cossie looks as oposed to a hatchback that looks like a cossie wannabe. Does that make sense?

Jimboxr4x4

Stevie, makes sense what you're saying. It seems you are best in the know to compare them. Do you think I would be mad to ditch a car running well with no rust for an unknown quanity cossie? I guess its always a gamble buying a new car and by the sounds of it I may regret it anyway.

RS_Ant

I think if you saw Fitzroys 24v 3dr you would change your mind.....

600BHP twin turbo.....MMmmmmmm

Jimboxr4x4

I appreciate Fitz's engineering skills but i'm not too convinced on his power figures. I remember at the 24v shootout a couple of years ago his twin turbo was slower than a standard n/a 24v.

Not knocking the bloke but his power estimates do seem to be a little 'over enthuisiastic'.

Jimboxr4x4

Mark - just read your post Only if you take the wife as well

mark

will she be happy sleeping in the car t make sure no fooker trys to brake into it round here

the offers there m8 ill look after it for you then if you done like the rs ya can have the xr back

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

That was my White 24v XR4i, Fitz did beat mine on topspeed but only by 6mph.

Steve.

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

Put it this way i built the 24v XR4i 5 years ago and not paid out on anything since apart from service items.

The cossie turbo 4i has given me loads of crap this year and its always looked after as well.

Steve.

Jimboxr4x4

Nice one. I seem to remember there were quite a few cars in the low - mid 14s for the quarter.

Mark - thanks for the offer.

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

or you could just stick the yb into the hatch

i prefer the hatch to the saf hence thats what im doing by ptting a yb in it

also a lot of ppl know what a cosy is and suspect it to perform, xrx4x4 cossy turbo is totally different as its a sleeper

Jimboxr4x4

Steve - I guess there is no reason why a YB should be less reliable but i suppose there are a few more components involved - turbochargers for one.

Stavros

If you look at the power graph that shows it with 500-550bhp or whatever it was, it had a WORSE power/torque band than your average cossie 500-550bhp setup, even tho it was 1.7litres or whatever more

Jimboxr4x4

XR4x4RS - its funny you say that. I do quite like the sleeper apeal of the xr4x4 although the vented bonnet gives it away that its not quite standard.

Its a good point about putting a YB in as I like the car and I know its in good nick. If I blow up the 24v then I think I might just do that.

Stavros - Sounds about right. You still can't beat a YB for really high power.

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

dont worry about the bonnet etc, as most people know it looks better than stock front end lol

i had loads of fun in my last one, no one knew what the hell was in it just a stage 3 yb

Jimboxr4x4

Nice. I love the rouse sport look so should look great when yours is finished.

Ginge !

mate i cant see the point going stage 1 cossie tbh, a stage 3 min as thats the point in em and they aint anyh less reliable at that power tbh


but always think of the main aspect and that is for the price of a gasket set of a cossie you can buy another granny cossie


they are serious amounts of money on parts but they are fun to drive


24v are nice from a instant power point of view but if you like top speed acceleration ( 60 to 140) then its a cossie im afraid

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

bit of a change of plan with that lol, just going to stick with teh normal cosy kit

im going to be reshelling my smashed up saf as ive got a new shell now so the kit will be going on that, but i do have another pair of sideskirts so once i get them back ill be fitting them to the xr

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

This sounds a better idea

Just got to find a good engine, but as said above a stage 3 is best for all round performance and reliablity.

Steve.

JohnnyB

on the motorway there is not much in it from a YB stage 1 to 24v.

And Fitz's car is fucking fast but shit to drive, but its got different spec turbos on now and a remap and it going much better.

Well I went out in the wet and it did not scare the shit out of you.

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

My STANDARD 2wd Sapphire (65,000miles) did 14.835 @ 93.45mph @ Santa Pod (standard wheels / tyres).

In stage 1 format (still standard engine, but 4x4 intercooler), did 13.406 @ 106.05mph (215/40 x 17 Yokohama A520s)....

A good stage 1 car will run rings around a 24v in anything bar instant response below 2700rpm .

dojj

iTrader: (3)

from a good 24V you'd be likely to see low 6's to 60 and low 14's for the 1/4 mile

don't know how that compares to the yb, but it's quick instant available power out of the box with no need to make anything else worry (unless you are using a tpye 9 box)

the only obvious advantage the yb has over the V6 is wieght over the front end
if you could get a lighter 24V it would handle so much better, and unless you spend sily money on suspension, you always feel the V6 understeering as it goes ito corners as you just can't get it right

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

Yes the bare engine will be lighter but when you start adding the turbo and intercooler etc i doubt if there is much difference.

My 24v does not feel much different at all to my cossie turbo one.

Steve.

Stavros

Its not the V6 that makes it understeer off throttle round corners, its the suspension geometry, YBs do it too.

Not hard to sort that out..

Anonymous

There is less weight in front of the front wheels on a V6 surely?

Jim Galbally

damn mike your figures are good!

as for sot of repairs, i think i'm proof that 24v cars arent necessarily cheap to look after and mine was hardly a shonky car when i bought it! it does do a LOT of miles tho

dojj

iTrader: (3)

but, to be honest jim, you do pay over the odds for the cheapest stuff and then pay someone loads not to fit it properly