Porkie

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A good read. Some legendary cars. 15 at the start....

They are:

205Gti 1.9
Lotus Elan
VW Corrado VR6
Clio Williams
Pug 106 Rallye
Fiat Barchetta
Honda Integra Type-R
Ford Puma
Pug 306 Rallye
Focus RS
VW Golf GTi
Mini Cooper S works GP
Renault Clio Trophy
Renault Clio 197

They did a top Six and then a winner....

any guesses on top 6 and the winner?

NO cheating if you have the mag already

oh and they said this about the winner

'Its a car as sweet and all-consuming as any I've experienced at any price, and as pure and Focused in its own way as any Porsche RS. Forget the accolade of greatest front-wheel-drive car. The ********** ranks as one of the truly great drivers cars of any kind'

Mike Rainbird

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I "thought" that the Clio Williams or the Pug 205 was going to win . Chip will be pleased with the verdict though .

Anonymous

They should have the original 60s mini cooper S in there, thats the best FWD drivers car, as demonstrated by 4 outright wins in a row at the monte carlo, something no other fwd car ever has done or ever will do!

Bunch of incompetent morons wouldnt know a good car if you smeared it in grease and drove it up their arse

Stavros

Number one just HAS to be a 15year old S2 RST, slammed on Konis set to hardest, and running 205/40x17 road tyres, untouchable bruv

Anonymous

init

It's Czech Mate

No 16i

Great handling, ten times better handling than a frigging corrado vr6

Stavros

Its probably listed under XR3 special edition

Porkie

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Being a Successful competition car does not neccessarily mean its a good drivers cars you donut!!!!

Really??? Seems most Journos as like that huh!!!

Cam

Elan for the top honours?

Anonymous

No but being a good drivers car does mean that, and it is, it just also happens to be the most succesfull competition car of all time based on an almost unchanged design managing 40+ years of motorsport success AS WELL as being a great drivers car

Rab

It has to be the Integra. I've never driven anything else that has come close.

And a VW corrado will outhandle a RS1600i all day, every day. I can see this as my Ford Blinkers have fallen off.

Mike Rainbird

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Didn't even make the top six....

It's Czech Mate

Shut it or you'll get some more of this

Anonymous

I think it probably loses out on the "drivers car" bit either because:

A) at the time it came out it was actually relatively slow amongst its peers

B) the journalists at EVO know bugger all about cars and just write about whatever are made by the manufacturers who give them the best freebies are



Wastegate chatter

Says it all about how much they know about cars!

Porkie

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step away from the crack pipe...

They seem to mention the Escort S1 RST as being one of the worst if that helps you???

Cam

'kin 'ell

It's Czech Mate

Bollocks. a standard vr6 corrado handles at best average compared to a standerd 16i, but lets not get into it on this thread. Have you ever driven a 16i that had fresh standard suspension, fresh standard bushes and a fresh steering rack etc? With the geometry properly set up?

Cam

Surely its not the mini????
Minis can be fun I will accept that but.......

Daveyboy

Matt, in its day it was voted best handling front wheel drive car. better than the g60 version due to weight distribution i believe.

ive had mk3 escorts in the form of S1's and Corrados, both vr6 and g60.

corrado it is im afraid mate.

It's Czech Mate

Considering it's totally different with differnt shocks, different tcas, a different diff, crossmember and rollbar set up then no, it doesnt really help.

A standard 16i is about 4 seconds quicker round donnington than a standard S1

Cam

I have and in their day they were damn fine...in their day

Rab

Was the Corrado that you drove broken?

I admit, the Rs1600 I drove wasn't all new parts, but was in fiar condition. The corrado I drove was about 1,000,000 times better than it.

Stavros

A daft pic I deliberatley took for the sole purpose of going in a car magazine that sells tens of thousands of issues a month, its so terrible that its gonna get seen by a few hundred more randoms on a geeky car forum
Wheres my razorblade

Jay,

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mk1 golf gti?

Mike Rainbird

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Someone who has driven one has already guessed correctly .

Rab

Do I win a prize?

It's Czech Mate

106 ralleye I reckon ...getting back on topic

Daveyboy

well if chip will be pleased, i would guess the integra seeing as he has one.

Porkie

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Bullshit! I know very little about how a car really works. BUT I know what makes a good drivers car from my experience of driving ALOT of cars under various conditions on all types of road and track.

I don't know my arse from my elbow when it comes to cam timing or phase sensors though!

Disabled Account

6 French cars in that shortlist

Good to see the RST Series 3 listed

No Civic Type R.......they are not THAT bad are they?

Cam

dojj

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but he said it was "Focused" ?

does that mean it's the mk3 astra gsi

Porkie

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Was the S1 driven by a one legged blind and pissed up marmoset?

P.S being fast around a track does not make it a drivers car...

RichardPON

Since when did EVO journos know fuck all about cars?

I'd say their methodical appraoch to testing, and their combined knowledge is fairly extensive. They've got Gordon Murray as a guest writer - clearly they should have asked you instead Chip.

In fact, I'd say they were about as independent as possible - if any of their fleet cars are serviced or worked on, they give an honest appraisal of the service recieved as possible, often negative if that is the case.

Car reviews are also fairly spot on - they always come in for criticism when it comes to their shootouts but they are obviously limited, and if I remember the article correctly, they certainly gave the old mini the deserved credit.

Stil, I can't understand where I've been going wrong all this time? I looked to EVO as a one of the finest motoring magazines available, when all this time I should have been looking to Total Vauxhall as the bastion of unbiased motoring journalism.

Anonymous

Well if you want even more proof that they know nothing about even driving the things, it sounds like they havent got the best drivers FWD car of all time in their top 15, surely that says it all

frog

Widow maker don't they say

It's Czech Mate

You bunch of fookers I wasnt saying it should be the winner or even in the shortlist, just deserves a mention

TheBishMan

Can't believe the RS didn't even come in the top 6!!

Cam

It's Czech Mate

lol, no, it was a pro driver, i have the magazine at home, i'll try to get details up later, however i do agree with your second point