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Old 04-08-2006, 03:17 AM
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Default Best head gasket for around 380-400hp?

Cometic, Group A, Multi-layered what's the differences????
Old 04-08-2006, 05:54 AM
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just logged on 2 ask the same question ive already got a group a,but ive been told 2 get a cometic one....but my pal told me he'd heard bad reports,its been long studded,so what do we buy?????
Old 04-08-2006, 06:25 AM
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I had a cometic gasket. Only lasted 5 Thousand miles. Just had a mountune WRC gasket fitted. 420 BHP



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Old 04-08-2006, 08:00 AM
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WRC all the way
Old 04-08-2006, 08:25 AM
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I've got a WRC from GGR, and am running 375BHP. Done 20,000 miles now and no problems. It is expensive
Old 04-08-2006, 08:36 AM
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In the words of Mike R.......

Multi layer gasket Fit & Forget.
Old 04-08-2006, 11:36 AM
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Deffo the 4 layer WRC one, had one fitted to my 4x4 saff and never had a problem
Old 04-08-2006, 12:21 PM
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Ive had my block wire wrung and fitted a 611
Old 04-08-2006, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by wildheart
Ive had my block wire wrung and fitted a 611
same here, no probs
Old 05-08-2006, 12:24 AM
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It was a 611 gasket that was in it before but since it's apart i'm probably just as well getting the wrc gasket? I take it it's a direct replacement then?
Old 05-08-2006, 01:19 AM
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you have to make sure both head and block are flat before fitting a wrc gasket.
im pretty sure that its rare for the head and block not needing to be machined.
Old 05-08-2006, 02:27 AM
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Wire rung for me with a 611, been fine
Old 05-08-2006, 02:37 AM
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Funny my cometic gasket let go about 500 miles ago and its only done 8k total now.

Wire rung and 611 for me I think - and I run over 400 horses.

Fair do's a wrc is fit and forget but if I want to do the gasket myself in future I can once its wire rung.

With the WRC gasket the block and head need to be faced.

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Old 05-08-2006, 09:22 AM
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I bought my headgasket from Italy, it's called Navalinea sport. It was 180euros and the price includes "group a reinz style" normal gasket and stainless rings (coopers?). I was going to use cometic in the beginning but since few of my friends have had problems with them almost all of them have changed to the stainless ring type gasket and for now, no problems with them (+500bhp ~2bar).

I currently have standard headgasket, standard bolts, 400bhp/540Nm and 22psi. And it is ok...but who knows how long. When the winter comes, I'll put the engine in pieces and I change the new gasket in.
Old 05-08-2006, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by yrkesman
"group a reinz style"
Sounds like a Group A / 611 gasket

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Old 05-08-2006, 11:31 AM
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Cometic or WRC are effectively the same thing in that both MUST HAVE perfectly flat surfaces to mate to, and if done correctly like that both will take an enormous level of punishment
Old 05-08-2006, 11:31 AM
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Jasus thats great news. I've just fitted a Cometic head gasket and i'm going for 330 in a few weeks ! It'll have to do until it blows, i ain't taking it back out now. Anyone on here had no problems with them ?
Old 05-08-2006, 11:32 AM
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cant be mate as the reinz is a group a,,,,,, hes is a copy of a group a gasket


thats what i used but,,,,,,,,,,, well my engine aint done a revolution since i timed up the cams
Old 05-08-2006, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Cometic or WRC are effectively the same thing in that both MUST HAVE perfectly flat surfaces to mate to, and if done correctly like that both will take an enormous level of punishment
I would agree with you chip BUT

Mine most certainly has not had what I would call an " enourmous level of punishment "

Far from it in fact.
Old 05-08-2006, 11:34 AM
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Cometic head gasket will be perfectly fine for 400 bhp
Old 05-08-2006, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Shings
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Cometic or WRC are effectively the same thing in that both MUST HAVE perfectly flat surfaces to mate to, and if done correctly like that both will take an enormous level of punishment
I would agree with you chip BUT

Mine most certainly has not had what I would call an " enourmous level of punishment "

Far from it in fact.
Then it wasnt fitted correctly IMHO if its gone.


Stu uses them frequently on big power engines for example without any problems.

If the surfaces arent flat, it WILL blow, and fairly soon even at moderate power levels.
Old 05-08-2006, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
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Cometic or WRC are effectively the same thing in that both MUST HAVE perfectly flat surfaces to mate to, and if done correctly like that both will take an enormous level of punishment
I would agree with you chip BUT

Mine most certainly has not had what I would call an " enourmous level of punishment "

Far from it in fact.
Then it wasnt fitted correctly IMHO if its gone.

Again I am going to disagree with you 100% again- I know for a fact both head and block where correctly faced.

These things happen though..

I'm defo not putting one back on my car,

J



Stu uses them frequently on big power engines for example without any problems.

If the surfaces arent flat, it WILL blow, and fairly soon even at moderate power levels.
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Originally Posted by yrkesman
I bought my headgasket from Italy, it's called "group a reinz style" normal gasket and stainless rings................
I am sure you mean Victor Reinz..............

As well as the YB-0611 (known as the "Group A" gasket) they also produce the late Es Cos YB-1261.....Look for "Victor Reinz" printed in black all over the bottom (block) face....(see pic below).

If you use "O" rings then cheap YB-1261 is a very good choice, it looks better constructed than the 0611.

YB-1261 is less than quarter the price of "Group A" YB-0611 too.....





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Okay, my post was once again misleading I meant that the Italian gasket uses headgasket with cooper rings. I don't think the italian version has nothing to do with reinz, since I think the "main" gasket is one of their own made. I just tought it might be worth to try the Italian version since it is much cheaper than the wrc version and it seems to cope with quite much power.
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Originally Posted by Doug Stirling
Originally Posted by yrkesman
I bought my headgasket from Italy, it's called "group a reinz style" normal gasket and stainless rings................
I am sure you mean Victor Reinz..............

As well as the YB-0611 (known as the "Group A" gasket) they also produce the late Es Cos YB-1261.....Look for "Victor Reinz" printed in black all over the bottom (block) face....(see pic below).

If you use "O" rings then cheap YB-1261 is a very good choice, it looks better constructed than the 0611.

YB-1261 is less than quarter the price of "Group A" YB-0611 too.....





how many head gaskets you need or your car matey


link for the small turbo ones for sale mate please
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Originally Posted by b19bal
......link for the small turbo ones for sale mate please
Cosworth Racing (Northampton)
Burton Power
P J motorsport

Available from your local Ford dealer but only as part of a FULL head-set purchase.

Also available from one or two E-Bay specialist gasket traders.........BUT be sure to order their "cheap" or "standard" gasket or head sets (not Group A or Cometic sets), and check with the seller that they are Victor Reinz 1261 before ordering.
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i know ford sell em mate ,,,,,,,,but there 400 quid for a gasket set pmsl

1261 then ill be nosey
Old 05-08-2006, 03:43 PM
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Rog if fitting wrc/cometic multi layer gasket,advise at least arp head stud/nut kit,but better with long studs,donot use standard head bolts

cheeRS stu
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Originally Posted by STUCOS
Rog if fitting wrc/cometic multi layer gasket,advise at least arp head stud/nut kit,but better with long studs,donot use standard head bolts

cheeRS Stu
That's strange, since I have heard that if using cometic, the only option with them is to use standard headbolts. Not ARP ones. Just few months ago two of my friends blew their cometic gaskets. Both using hard bolts (ARP). Both had head and block skimmed so they were totally flat, both had ~500bhp and about 30psi of boost. It could have been something else, but they are now both using the italian gasket and they seem both now fine, for now. We'll see in few months if they really are ok.
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I too was told not to use A.R.P items so i had to sell them and lost

£30 Group A with wire ringing for me
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id go 4 a wrc item thats what i have on my 530+ escort cossie and havent had no problems since having it fitted

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Originally Posted by tregmatt
id go 4 a wrc item thats what i have on my 530+ escort cossie and havent had no problems since having it fitted

wait aint you the guy going ford fair in a rover diesel
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anyone running a copper headgasket from Ferriday?
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Copper gaskets are exceptionally good! I've made quite a few over the last few years (although not for Cossies). The ones we sell are guaranteed against failure
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If the Cometic one goes (the newer updated ones) than it's on wrong. The Cometic is a nice piece but as with all MLS gaskets, it might be too good. If the gasket doesn't blow then something else in your engine will.
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