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17-07-2006, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
To replicate Martin's car would take at least £60-70k.......................
....................you did mention the price once, but I need reminding
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TWAT
You still have ALOT to buy and a budget of £0
Nice work SuperMike
17-07-2006, 02:17 PM
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My shonky Saff has owes me about 7k as it was DIY and using connections for parts..and its around 500bhp..reliable too IMO 
BUT its insured for 10k and i am sure i could get my money back when i break it 
...I aint stupid..thats why i always shout ROAD CAR it dont need that fancy shit.
Imagine spending 20k on a shonky Ford when you could have 2xM3 E36 evo convertables or 1 x e46 M3 etc etc etc
Mike you really need to get in other cars to see how shonky your Escos is
BUT its insured for 10k and i am sure i could get my money back when i break it ...I aint stupid..thats why i always shout ROAD CAR it dont need that fancy shit.Imagine spending 20k on a shonky Ford when you could have 2xM3 E36 evo convertables or 1 x e46 M3 etc etc etc
Mike you really need to get in other cars to see how shonky your Escos is
17-07-2006, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
Mike,
Lesson taught.. dont fuck with Lee and his boyfriend
talk about touched nerves!
Lesson taught.. dont fuck with Lee and his boyfriend
talk about touched nerves!
now if we are talking man love, there is only one couple on PF
Its you and Franco. I believe you even sent him an early text this morning telling him how you were missing him on here and if there was anything he could do to get you back on so you could reignite your love affair on here....
P.S 'its lesson learnt' not 'lesson taught' you dribbling monkey, now get back to the muppet room with the other retards....
17-07-2006, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
now if we are talking man love, there is only one couple on PF
Its you and Franco. I believe you even sent him an early text this morning telling him how you were missing him on here and if there was anything he could do to get you back on so you could reignite your love affair on here....
Its you and Franco. I believe you even sent him an early text this morning telling him how you were missing him on here and if there was anything he could do to get you back on so you could reignite your love affair on here....
17-07-2006, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
Originally Posted by Porkie
now if we are talking man love, there is only one couple on PF
Its you and Franco. I believe you even sent him an early text this morning telling him how you were missing him on here and if there was anything he could do to get you back on so you could reignite your love affair on here....
Its you and Franco. I believe you even sent him an early text this morning telling him how you were missing him on here and if there was anything he could do to get you back on so you could reignite your love affair on here....
Rich, it's blatant that you want some ass pie...... you're going to have to try harder to make it a ménage à trois!
Lee... fuck off!
17-07-2006, 02:25 PM
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Lee,
Well be prepared to bend over and take it big time . That is NOT what the engine cost Martin, as funnily enough, with his trade contacts etc and the fact that he doesn't charge himself labour (Jesus, you're simple ), it cost HIM considerably less. However, I doubt he would replicate his car for love (not EVEN for YOU ). So to summerise - the cost of something for Martin to do for HIMSELF and what he would charge the GP are two COMPLETELY different prices (as I said, he doesn;t charge himself labour - do you get it yet? ) Sorry if that is too simple for your 'ickle brain to comprehend . In fact have ANOTHER . This is why there is a £30-£40k difference in full replication price to what it cost Martin in parts alone (as I said, his labour is free to him ).
Well be prepared to bend over and take it big time
. That is NOT what the engine cost Martin, as funnily enough, with his trade contacts etc and the fact that he doesn't charge himself labour (Jesus, you're simple ), it cost HIM considerably less. However, I doubt he would replicate his car for love (not EVEN for YOU ). So to summerise - the cost of something for Martin to do for HIMSELF and what he would charge the GP are two COMPLETELY different prices (as I said, he doesn;t charge himself labour - do you get it yet? ) Sorry if that is too simple for your 'ickle brain to comprehend . In fact have ANOTHER . This is why there is a £30-£40k difference in full replication price to what it cost Martin in parts alone (as I said, his labour is free to him ).
17-07-2006, 02:26 PM
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I am actually 20 years old and I own my Cossie for 1 and a half year now. Keep in mind that my job actually is a mechanic learner, so I get approx 300-400£ each month. In other words I have spent all the money I had for ages into my Cossie, and each month I gave all for her. But after 1 year I decided it was enough, so at Christmas last year I put her in my garage and started to save money by first buying a VW Golf GTI.
I want to prepare my saph for hillclimb/rally events and I need lot of money. I calculated I will need for approx 13k£ - 14k£ of just parts (labour I will do it myself). Just think that I will just ern 400£ per month until august 2007, and then I will get a normal mechanic job (1800£/month). It's gonna be hard to get that much money and the car ready before august 2008 which will be the 50th anniversary of Cosworth.
As you can see I'm giving absolutly everything for my Cossie, I just love her, but I need money which I haven't...
I want to prepare my saph for hillclimb/rally events and I need lot of money. I calculated I will need for approx 13k£ - 14k£ of just parts (labour I will do it myself). Just think that I will just ern 400£ per month until august 2007, and then I will get a normal mechanic job (1800£/month). It's gonna be hard to get that much money and the car ready before august 2008 which will be the 50th anniversary of Cosworth.
As you can see I'm giving absolutly everything for my Cossie, I just love her, but I need money which I haven't...
17-07-2006, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Lee,
Well be prepared to bend over and take it big time . That is NOT what the engine cost Martin, as funnily enough, with his trade contacts etc and the fact that he doesn't charge himself labour (Jesus, you're simple ), it cost HIM considerably less. However, I doubt he would replicate his car for love (not EVEN for YOU ). So to summerise - the cost of something for Martin to do for HIMSELF and what he would charge the GP are two COMPLETELY different prices (as I said, he doesn;t charge himself labour - do you get it yet? ) Sorry if that is too simple for your 'ickle brain to comprehend . In fact have ANOTHER
Well be prepared to bend over and take it big time
. That is NOT what the engine cost Martin, as funnily enough, with his trade contacts etc and the fact that he doesn't charge himself labour (Jesus, you're simple ), it cost HIM considerably less. However, I doubt he would replicate his car for love (not EVEN for YOU ). So to summerise - the cost of something for Martin to do for HIMSELF and what he would charge the GP are two COMPLETELY different prices (as I said, he doesn;t charge himself labour - do you get it yet? ) Sorry if that is too simple for your 'ickle brain to comprehend . In fact have ANOTHER
17-07-2006, 02:28 PM
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Mike and Dave...
My arse is staying clenched and taking NOTHING!!!!
The parts on the car are WELL over £30k and you KNOW it.
You fcuked up and are trying to wriggle
You are not adding up the RETAIL prices of things like the brakes and the suspension that he obviously got ALOT cheaper.... you have to include a seam welded and caged motorsport shell as well and all the WRC bodywork. All the fittings, the aeroquip etc etc, its got over £2k's worth of seats in it as an example...
Fook me, Dave broke his replica road car chav mobile for almost £30k I think. Imagine what a proper car is worth
I'll let you off though Mike because there are alot of things that you just wouldn't think of when building and specing a PROPER Cosworth... and you would obviously have NO experience of that
My arse is staying clenched and taking NOTHING!!!!
The parts on the car are WELL over £30k and you KNOW it.
You fcuked up and are trying to wriggle
You are not adding up the RETAIL prices of things like the brakes and the suspension that he obviously got ALOT cheaper.... you have to include a seam welded and caged motorsport shell as well and all the WRC bodywork. All the fittings, the aeroquip etc etc, its got over £2k's worth of seats in it as an example...
Fook me, Dave broke his replica road car chav mobile for almost £30k I think. Imagine what a proper car is worth
I'll let you off though Mike because there are alot of things that you just wouldn't think of when building and specing a PROPER Cosworth... and you would obviously have NO experience of that
17-07-2006, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
there is just nothing better than BURYING Rainbum when it comes to knowledge, Cosworths and basic intelligence... its what he prides himself on!!!
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
So to summerise
17-07-2006, 02:32 PM
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Most of uk cossies are pocket change compared what the people in norway and sweden spent on their fords example stain's wrc escort and the 872 bhp ex rallycross escort are 10 times more money than most uk cossies.
I happy that i don't have any bills on these two cars.
I happy that i don't have any bills on these two cars.
17-07-2006, 02:33 PM
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Re: BIG Money cosworths
Originally Posted by Racey
just reading an article on rebuilds etc and it got me thinking about the other half's current rebuild!!
whilst I love my car, there is no way on this earth I could warrant spending anything over 10k on it. I know over time I probably will, but to lay that out say over 3-4 month period is just ludicrous surely!!!
I know it gives you a buzz when you drive it, but seriously, what will you get out of it at the end of the day??? Your never going to get that money back whether you sell it or smash it up????
I personally woudnt even dream about spending my savings on it and definiately wouldnt get into credit card/loan debt to do it! Would rather spend it on something that will get my money back in the future!
So - the point is - what was your reason for spending however much you have done on your car?? (apart from the sad gits who will say "i want to be faster than him/her" )
whilst I love my car, there is no way on this earth I could warrant spending anything over 10k on it. I know over time I probably will, but to lay that out say over 3-4 month period is just ludicrous surely!!!
I know it gives you a buzz when you drive it, but seriously, what will you get out of it at the end of the day??? Your never going to get that money back whether you sell it or smash it up????
I personally woudnt even dream about spending my savings on it and definiately wouldnt get into credit card/loan debt to do it! Would rather spend it on something that will get my money back in the future!
So - the point is - what was your reason for spending however much you have done on your car?? (apart from the sad gits who will say "i want to be faster than him/her"
)Ever considered that for others its just a toy we spend some money on ??
Spending 10k is ludricous FOR YOU.. just an opinion from your point of view.
What I get out if at the end of the day is FUN..
Dont care about getting the money back either....
If it blows up i've dont something wrong and will build a better one the next time..
If you want a good investment you better buy some stock in beer before the spring starts, then sell them in the autumn and buy shares in heating oil before the winter starts.. will get you approx 9%.. (free advice
)The reason for spending much money on the car:
Simply because I can... wouldnt you if you could ?
17-07-2006, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
My arse is staying clenched and taking NOTHING!!!!
The parts on the car are WELL over £30k and you KNOW it.
You fcuked up and are trying to wriggle
You are not adding up the RETAIL prices of things like the brakes and the suspension that he obviously got ALOT cheaper....
The parts on the car are WELL over £30k and you KNOW it.
You fcuked up and are trying to wriggle
You are not adding up the RETAIL prices of things like the brakes and the suspension that he obviously got ALOT cheaper....
? This is why thre is such a disparity between the two prices. One is the cost to Martin (plus his time) and the other is what it would cost to replicate his car if someone were to say "I want that one". I think YOU should just accept the fact that you don't understand the concept of trade -v- retail . I think you want another one of these .Also, I bet if someone asked Martin to start from scratch and agreed to fund all the development work he has already done off his own back, it would have cost even more than the £60-70k to do I mentioned. The fact that he has now done this twice, I bet he could actually build a replica of his car for the amount I quoted....
You also forget I am friends with Martin, so know which items he got for free
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17-07-2006, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RS500
Most of uk cossies are pocket change compared what the people in norway and sweden spent on their fords example stain's wrc escort and the 872 bhp ex rallycross escort are 10 times more money than most uk cossies.
I happy that i don't have any bills on these two cars.
I happy that i don't have any bills on these two cars.
17-07-2006, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by Porkie
My arse is staying clenched and taking NOTHING!!!!
The parts on the car are WELL over £30k and you KNOW it.
You fcuked up and are trying to wriggle
You are not adding up the RETAIL prices of things like the brakes and the suspension that he obviously got ALOT cheaper....
The parts on the car are WELL over £30k and you KNOW it.
You fcuked up and are trying to wriggle
You are not adding up the RETAIL prices of things like the brakes and the suspension that he obviously got ALOT cheaper....
? This is why thre is such a disparity between the two prices. One is the cost to Martin (plus his time) and the other is what it would cost to replicate his car if someone were to say "I want that one". I think YOU should just accept the fact that you don't understand the concept of trade -v- retail . I think you want another one of these .Also, I bet if someone asked Martin to start from scratch and agreed to fund all the development work he has already done off his own back, it would have cost even more than the £60-70k to do I mentioned. The fact that he has now done this twice, I bet he could actually build a replica of his car for the amount I quoted....
BOLLOX. When quoting parts prices you quote what the parts would cost to the customer. Everyone knows that!
Take your fooking
like a man!!!!P.S I have edited my previous post to diss/bait you even more now
Please read again and squirm....
17-07-2006, 02:42 PM
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Its for pleasure mate...
You dont get ya money back off a hooker, a drug dealer or even the pub
Its all about how you enjoy yourself and how much money you are willing to spend for your recreation...
You dont get ya money back off a hooker, a drug dealer or even the pub
Its all about how you enjoy yourself and how much money you are willing to spend for your recreation...
17-07-2006, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Kev.H
Porkie is starting to sound like Dave 
When have I ever:
1. asked a newbie bird if she takes it up the ass
2. Said Cheese Roll
3. Called someone a cunt
Actually... scrap number 3..... YOU CUNT
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he'd be looking like me too.. if he hadn't of COMPLETLEY pussied out of his new gym routine ..
blaming his lack of comitment on his 'training partner' bowing out with an injury!
blaming his lack of comitment on his 'training partner' bowing out with an injury!
17-07-2006, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RS500
Most of uk cossies are pocket change compared what the people in norway and sweden spent on their fords example stain's wrc escort and the 872 bhp ex rallycross escort are 10 times more money than most uk cossies.
I happy that i don't have any bills on these two cars.
I happy that i don't have any bills on these two cars.
I can't think of any others though really?
That Rallycross one looks mental but would not have been that much to buy. Bit of a shed really right now as well isn't it?
17-07-2006, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
he'd be looking like me too.. if he hadn't of COMPLETLEY pussied out of his new gym routine ..
blaming his lack of comitment on his 'training partner' bowing out with an injury!
blaming his lack of comitment on his 'training partner' bowing out with an injury!
But you are totally right valid valid valid
I'll take that
like a man Mike take note...
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Its a hobby really, well for me anyway.
If you can spend the cash and get the car they way you want it then do it. If you can afford 500 quid or 40k its horses for courses.
its the taking part that makes it fun thats why everyones (well majority)on this BB, i think, cos its intresting and everyone wants to see what people are planning and doing.
I waxed a a few K in 3weeks & in my eyes thats alot of fucking money. It made me happy and thats all that counts.
But i could afford it with out putting myself in any bad situations and everything still gets payed.
If you can spend the cash and get the car they way you want it then do it. If you can afford 500 quid or 40k its horses for courses.
its the taking part that makes it fun thats why everyones (well majority)on this BB, i think, cos its intresting and everyone wants to see what people are planning and doing.
I waxed a a few K in 3weeks & in my eyes thats alot of fucking money. It made me happy and thats all that counts.
But i could afford it with out putting myself in any bad situations and everything still gets payed.
17-07-2006, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by DaveEscos
he'd be looking like me too.. if he hadn't of COMPLETLEY pussied out of his new gym routine ..
blaming his lack of comitment on his 'training partner' bowing out with an injury!
blaming his lack of comitment on his 'training partner' bowing out with an injury!
I'll take that
like a man Mike take note...
But how can Mike take it like a man.. ?
when he is about as far removed from a 'man' as is physically and mentally possible!
17-07-2006, 03:05 PM
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The biggest problem with all this money spent on cars, is that people oftendon't see their ultimate goal, or even know what it is.
I spent sheloads on my saff making it into a car that would be fast round track...but little did I realise, my ultimate goal was to have a fast CAR round track, not a fast FORD!
As a result, I spent all the money on the right things...... on the wrong car.
The same goal could have been achieved for far less - ultimately providing better value for money...... which when you aren't loaded, has to be the pre-requiste for any hobby to keep it sensible so that it doesn't affect the ret of your life.
I spent sheloads on my saff making it into a car that would be fast round track...but little did I realise, my ultimate goal was to have a fast CAR round track, not a fast FORD!
As a result, I spent all the money on the right things...... on the wrong car.
The same goal could have been achieved for far less - ultimately providing better value for money...... which when you aren't loaded, has to be the pre-requiste for any hobby to keep it sensible so that it doesn't affect the ret of your life.
17-07-2006, 03:09 PM
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Pon, spot on...
Sadly however that is a lesson that can never be taught... everyone seems to always have to learn it that hard way! Sad but true!
It can be fun learning as well though!
Always look on the bright side, no regrets etc etc....
Sadly however that is a lesson that can never be taught... everyone seems to always have to learn it that hard way! Sad but true!
It can be fun learning as well though!
Always look on the bright side, no regrets etc etc....
17-07-2006, 03:17 PM
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Guys stop spamming the thread...
@ Richard : You know a Ford can be a really fast track car, you have to put the money. It is always a money question. What are you refering when you talk about "the wrong car". What do you want to get as a "fast car" ?
@ Richard : You know a Ford can be a really fast track car, you have to put the money. It is always a money question. What are you refering when you talk about "the wrong car". What do you want to get as a "fast car" ?
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Originally Posted by Xen
Guys stop spamming the thread...
@ Richard : You know a Ford can be a really fast track car, you have to put the money. It is always a money question. What are you refering when you talk about "the wrong car". What do you want to get as a "fast car" ?
@ Richard : You know a Ford can be a really fast track car, you have to put the money. It is always a money question. What are you refering when you talk about "the wrong car". What do you want to get as a "fast car" ?
Spend a bit more and get an ariel atom, dont think you'd get much more fun on a track to be honest.
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Originally Posted by Xen
Guys stop spamming the thread...
@ Richard : You know a Ford can be a really fast track car, you have to put the money. It is always a money question. What are you refering when you talk about "the wrong car". What do you want to get as a "fast car" ?
@ Richard : You know a Ford can be a really fast track car, you have to put the money. It is always a money question. What are you refering when you talk about "the wrong car". What do you want to get as a "fast car" ?
I spent a fortune on my sapphire Cosworth, and it ultimately ended up as an expensive toy, that would be uneconomical to run as a track car.
Example: The car had AP 4 pots on the front with 335mm discs - I would go through a set of discs every two/three track days, which equated to about £300 a time with pads. Because the car was heavy, everything else cost-wise ramped up accordingly.
The problem was that starting with a Sapphire Cosworth as a base car was a bad idea, as I could have had more fun for less money.
Lee - yes, it was fun learning, although I wish I'd "seen the light" sooner, and bought the bloody Caterham like I should have done!
Anyway, chalk it down to life experience!
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Hum yes I see, but after it's the way you have the passion. I know I wouldn't buy an escos for rallying even if it won lot of victories. I am sure I can build a really fast saph that would make some escos guys thing : "Whoa why I'm not buying that ?!". I have the passion for the saph, and for god I would never swap her for a catheram.
Just a hint for a saph track car. Just remove every thing you can, then you will end up with a car that is less than 1100kg which is really good. And with a strong 330-350bhp engine preparation which doesn't cost that much, you can have something than car beat a 360 Modena !
Just a hint for a saph track car. Just remove every thing you can, then you will end up with a car that is less than 1100kg which is really good. And with a strong 330-350bhp engine preparation which doesn't cost that much, you can have something than car beat a 360 Modena !
17-07-2006, 03:33 PM
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I think most people that spend those high amounts of money on Cossies etc are people that ont need to think about money TBH... Only people who cant really afford to spend on them worry about it... Then you have people who are addicted but cant afford it so get into debt..
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Sod the depreciation, I've fallen in love with this
http://forums.evolutionm.net/attachm...id=93472&stc=1
http://forums.evolutionm.net/attachm...id=93359&stc=1
http://forums.evolutionm.net/attachm...id=92750&stc=1
with some mahooooosive brakes this would be spot on.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/attachm...id=93472&stc=1
http://forums.evolutionm.net/attachm...id=93359&stc=1
http://forums.evolutionm.net/attachm...id=92750&stc=1
with some mahooooosive brakes this would be spot on.
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Originally Posted by Xen
Hum yes I see, but after it's the way you have the passion. I know I wouldn't buy an escos for rallying even if it won lot of victories. I am sure I can build a really fast saph that would make some escos guys thing : "Whoa why I'm not buying that ?!". I have the passion for the saph, and for god I would never swap her for a catheram.
Just a hint for a saph track car. Just remove every thing you can, then you will end up with a car that is less than 1100kg which is really good. And with a strong 330-350bhp engine preparation which doesn't cost that much, you can have something than car beat a 360 Modena !
Just a hint for a saph track car. Just remove every thing you can, then you will end up with a car that is less than 1100kg which is really good. And with a strong 330-350bhp engine preparation which doesn't cost that much, you can have something than car beat a 360 Modena !
.. and gues what - the Caterham would still have been faster.
That's the difference -years ago, I used to blinkered into only thinking about one make of car - now I couldn't give a toss. Very difficult to have a passion for a car like a Sapphire Cosworth when you get older, and as we all know, passion can easily cloud your judgement - it did to mine.
17-07-2006, 05:11 PM
#79
im building a xr4x4 cosy yb, i was planning on going the 24v route but i know id get bored, so now its going to cost me about 5 times as much, now i have to by boxes diffs, engine rebuild etc,
but tbh i dont care, im 25 thhis year and once ive finished thsi car ive told myself its my last ford i will do,
ill be going jap nxt as its seems to be the way forward now days
but tbh i dont care, im 25 thhis year and once ive finished thsi car ive told myself its my last ford i will do,
ill be going jap nxt as its seems to be the way forward now days
17-07-2006, 06:54 PM
#80
Advanced PassionFord User
Escos or saph, or any car for that matter that is built to a decent specification demands lots of cash...and once you start down a particular road you can never compromise......we always to buy the right bits first time rather than break lots of inferior parts before getting to something which is reliable...
In lots of ways decent parts will always be worth good money, so investing in a decent gearbox/transmission for a track or competition car is probably a good idea...
Its generally accepted that all rally car costs are mainly in the transmission. The transmission in my own car is approx twice that of the engine....
We do try to budget the cars we build but its all the little parts that tend to add up....
In lots of ways decent parts will always be worth good money, so investing in a decent gearbox/transmission for a track or competition car is probably a good idea...
Its generally accepted that all rally car costs are mainly in the transmission. The transmission in my own car is approx twice that of the engine....
We do try to budget the cars we build but its all the little parts that tend to add up....