Roughly how much do people charge for these, or does it depend on the car, spec and ECU?

 

Prices start from £500 upwards.

I have known the costs to exceed £1000 on many occasions and it all depends on spec and how much time is needed on the car.

Stu is prob a good port of call for questions



Regards

 

NMS is cheaper than £500 (start price)

Telephone : 01773 836274

 

The question was for live mapping, not custom chips mate.

Live mapping using emulator and wideband is a lot more costly and time consuming than a custom chip fit and setup.




Regards

 

Why is it more costly for the mapper ?

Price of kit....

Still NMS is cheaper for LIVE emulation mapping then a start of £500 LOL

 

Afternoon Ryan,
Mapping costs vary depending on the ecu type and the features required. I am going to be presumptious now and presume you are talking about a std cosworth Ecu.

If your talking a basic fast road map on large injectors (500-1200cc) on any std ecu (L1,6,8 or P8) with all the following maps correctly done:

All the many Fuel and spark tables.
Boost map including decay time.
Cold start fuel, spark and decay maps.
Dynamic Enrichment multiplier maps.

Then we would personally charge £500 and ask that you leave us the car for 1 week to ensure perfection. However, for that fee we will map the whole car, live with emulation equipment and, importantly, ensure that the cold start and drive performance is as close to a factory car as is possible with your engine spec. Normally we can get them to drive just like a Mondeo from subzero to warm. Its this mapping that takes teh time, NOT making it go fast, thats the easy part. Idle stability will also be very good with none of this hunting up and down that goes on with some cars.

If you DONT require us to do any form of cold start mapping then it will not need a week, nor will it cost that much, but we recommend you let us do it this way for maximum benefit from your mapping.

Additional Features and equipment cost more. Examples:
Closed Loop.
Air injectors.
Twin switchable road or boost maps.
Twin switchable maps for race fuel.
ALS
Water Injection
Etc Etc

Please note that Repairs to make the car suitable for high speed mapping are EXTRA. And usually teh reason that bills run into 4 figures.

 

Good for them. Perhaps give Karl at NMS a call Ryan as i it seems am far too expensive.

 

Sounds like a plan Ryan, but please bear in mind, you get what you pay for matey.


regards

 

Since you ask i suppose i should answer out of politeness...
Overheads to recoup are one factor of course. £30K of emulation and monitoring hardware takes some bloody recouping from these antiques.

It also takes neigh on 2.5hrs to wire the car up for a decent emulation session when monitoring fuel pumps etc and then unwire it all again afterwards so i guess at £50PH theres £150 gone before i start the engine. A full setup here is £141 and it gets one of those too as part of the job, not point mapping an engine thats setup wrong or with air leaks, faulty fuel pumps, ecu voltage etc obviously. Hmm.. thats £291.. leaving only £209 for mapping... i must increase my prices!

Why does everything on here turn into a bloody row?

 

I was not aware that Karl actually had this equipment, as I remember a topic not so long ago Karl stating that he makes Custom chips not Live Maps.

Sorry if i am mistaken and he now has faciliity to live map.

 

Yes you do indeed.

Mine has not missed a beat since NMS mapped it....

Makes good power and reliable, cold start is AWESOME....


Stu, you seem pissed that someone is on your patch....sorry but you are expensive compared to some.

Personally think NMS cars are pretty fast and you NEVER get any compliants or blow ups

 

Was a question stu, your turning into an anti dingy post always cause someone promoted someone else over MSD....

 

That was correct as far as i know yes, and to be fair Karl himself never suggested otherwise, but i havent spoken to Karl for a few months sadly so cannot personally update you on that information with any degree of accuracy. I am however sure Dingy is hammering away at his keys as i type though....

 

I wasn't aware of what he has or doesn't - i never ask, but I seen the emulator - he has had this for ages

 

Stu i don't care what you say against me.

Karl makes fast reliable cars at a good price and can live map.

Really sorry if thats not what he asked.

 

Oh man, what a fiasco for a friday afternoon.

 

My patch?
And where do i seem pissed off on this topic??

If you look at teh post time, i was replying to Ryan before you replied, its just that A) I type slowly and B) I have phones to answer too.

Karls work is great, where has anyone ever said it isnt? I have simply replied to a post about mapping here... and directed my reply to the topic starter personally by using his name, is that wrong just because you are on the topic?

As for "Anti Dingy" dont be so bloody childish man!

 

Dingy, how can any cars cold start be AWESOME It either starts and idles correctly of it does not

And BEFORE you start: I have two NMS live mapped cars and they BOTH start fine - hot or cold.....just not sure AWESOME is the correct word in this context

 

sorry doug :cock:

 

My cold start makes me stiff its so good................

 

I'm with you on this one, Dan.

I can't see where Stu has had a go at you, Dingy, so it hardly qualifies as a being turned into an anti-Dingy post. It looks to me more like you're trying to come on and piss on Stu's chips, so to speak.

Stu's customer feedback speaks for itself mate, and I'm pretty sure he just gets on with doing what he does best and not worrying about what other tuners can or can't do and what they are charging people.

 

Fook sake...

Is this a NMS Vs MSD thread or what....

Thanks for the very informative post stu, much appreciated.

Top Bloke

 

Karl is good at what he does & is a respectable tuner

Stu is good at what he does & is a respectable tuner

RANT OVER.....its like MSD vs NMS again

I now no why Karl doesnt bother coming on here to read all this rubbish

 

I actually feel a bit sorry for karl having his name dragged into this when he is oblivious.

 

It was just an answer man... good lord you are paranoid to teh extreme!!

 

I couldn't give a fuck about stu's chips LOL.....guess if i wanted fuel econemy over performance i might


dan said it would cost £500 i simply said NMS was cheaper than that - honestly didn't know he was talking about stu until stu posted....

Asked a question then got a load of shit from the cocks on here....

Awesome friday fun

 

I have had cars mapped by Ahmed Bayoo, Harvey Gibbs, Karl Norris and Stu at MSD.

I have been more than happy with all of them and was pleased with all their work. My car is currently on its second Karl map

BUT for professionalism and thoroughness then the clear winner would be Stu. He did have more time than the others to work on the car but I don't think that would have mattered to be honest. Its just the way he approaches his job and its obvious from the first telephone call when booking in to the totally accurate 94 page booklet you recieve as a bill VERY professional and VERY good at his job.

The Sierra used to run TOO well. It was like a standard engine. Unbelievably well behaved. I like it too cough and splutter and do a few weird things occasionally as its a 'racing car' and it makes me feel hard

 

 

 

Me too, but at least you know that:

A) He can map your car well.
B) He will do it cheaper than me.
C) You have his number.

So all is well, decent advert all told.

 

The best thing about this topic it that it's a LIVE MAP versus LIVE MAP discussion.

Two or three years back it would have been a "Why live map?" or "Engine dyno V live map which is best?" thread

A lot of us (I include myself) are older & wiser now and KNOW the importance of live mapping!

 

Some valid points by all.

 

See, its not all bad.

Porkie, very kind words, thank you.

 

"Which is better, rolling road or Live map..............."

The last one of those went mega pearshaped Doug and I remember the arguing going on well into the night and am......

 

I racall that one.
There were those that said both were a waste of money.....
Those that said engine dyno was best....
Those that said live map was best.............

....And that ONE person that said you needed both:

 

The pain

 

I was up most of the night hurting.....................

 

When was this then?

I feel left out - not that I could have contributed anything helpful whatsoever

 

dont ask.

we dont want that post dragging back up....LOL

 

Lol @ makes you feel hard