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Old 09-08-2004, 12:20 PM
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Default S1 running lumpy as fook on idle....HELP PLEASE!!!

hi peeps

Notished it on the way back from Ford fair last week and was VERY apparent last night....

Car will idle at 1000k but you can see the needle drop 100 revs every 5 seconds or so!! drop the clutch and the revs drop through the floor and just about picks itself up....

Car cut out on me last night twice, and the thing just don;t want to tick over at all sometimes....

Opened the bonnet and checked for air leaks, but none apparent...and car drives fine!!

any ideas at all?? leads and plugs are being replaced next weekend, but not sure wether this has anything to do with the problem!!

and no...i havn't touced anything!!!! ANYTHING!!!!!

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Old 09-08-2004, 12:26 PM
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Hope you're not changing the plugs and leads yourself?!

Seriously tho, could be a number of possibilities causing it, try the cheap options first (plugs leads, clean the idle screw).

If its still doing it, run it over to Jamsport and get them to hook it up to the computer and see whats going on and where.
Old 09-08-2004, 12:27 PM
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and no...i havn't touced anything!!!! ANYTHING!!!!!
Thats what you say in the blue oyster bar
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inlet manifold leaking???

is it hunting??


check airfilter is on ok??


have you moved anything under the bonnet???
Old 09-08-2004, 12:42 PM
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my RST has been doing this since I bought it and cant fiqure out what it is! its doing my head in, i've had it in to Well Lane Turbos 2 for it, they were shite charged me for work doing then found the fault was still there.

i've changed the airflow metre, plugs, ECU, removed dump valve, disconnected the cold start valve.

Haven't checked for air leaks, (as i dont know how or where to check)

does yours always do it? mine seems to be in morning mostly (when the cars not been used for a while. for the first 10min then it seems to get a lot better.
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Originally Posted by Spiky
inlet manifold leaking???

is it hunting??


check airfilter is on ok??


have you moved anything under the bonnet???
not moved anything as far as i'm aware BUT scott and i were busy under the bonnet cleaning at Ford Fair!! so may have done summit!!

Spiky...kind of hunting....certainly not a constant rev like it used to be!!

Clare..wheres Jamsport again!?!?!?!? foirgotten!!
Old 09-08-2004, 12:48 PM
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BUT scott and i were busy under the bonnet
Oh yeah
Old 09-08-2004, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Cawood
mine seems to be in morning mostly (when the cars not been used for a while. for the first 10min then it seems to get a lot better.
Water getting into your cylinders??

My 3i does it when hot
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maybe a air leak then, if hunting i'd be lookign at manifold.

do you have a dump valve????


brittle pipe broken maybe??
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Originally Posted by Cawood
my RST has been doing this since I bought it and cant fiqure out what it is! its doing my head in, i've had it in to Well Lane Turbos 2 for it, they were shite charged me for work doing then found the fault was still there.

i've changed the airflow metre, plugs, ECU, removed dump valve, disconnected the cold start valve.

Haven't checked for air leaks, (as i dont know how or where to check)

does yours always do it? mine seems to be in morning mostly (when the cars not been used for a while. for the first 10min then it seems to get a lot better.
this is the first time mate!!! always been good as gold before!! about 1100 revs constant...warm or cold!!!
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Does it leak oil?
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Sounds like it may be a tad lean at idle, An airleak could cause this to happen,

Best get it checked out though.

Rob
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try blocking off the dumpvalve. See if that makes it better?
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Originally Posted by Spiky
maybe a air leak then, if hunting i'd be lookign at manifold.

do you have a dump valve????


brittle pipe broken maybe??
got D/v and that was opening and shutting slightly when idling last night!!!

don't think water is getting in anywhere as it does it from the time you start the key!! only recently though!!
Old 09-08-2004, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Max
try blocking off the dumpvalve. See if that makes it better?
i second that
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Originally Posted by Rob@SCC Performance
Sounds like it may be a tad lean at idle, An airleak could cause this to happen,

Best get it checked out though.

Rob
TBO Rob, this is what happned years ago to the S2 and that was a lean problem....never ran rough ever again after you peeps sorted it!!!
Old 09-08-2004, 01:25 PM
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Stu @ M Developments,
Does it leak oil?
Old 09-08-2004, 01:26 PM
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keith, try sprayin wd40 on each joint on the boost pipes and vac pipes, then if it starts to stall more, youv'e found your air leak
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Originally Posted by Spiky
Originally Posted by Max
try blocking off the dumpvalve. See if that makes it better?
i second that
anyone got a blanking plug?????
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broom handle

and answer stu's question
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Stu @ M Developments,
Does it leak oil?
sometimes a bit of oil on the bonnet!! like a small spray!!!

but why would this all of a sudden go liek this?? bloody thing
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Originally Posted by keithG666
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
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Does it leak oil?
sometimes a bit of oil on the bonnet!! like a small spray!!!
"ooooooooooooooooooohhh"

*Stu grits teeth and sucks thru them whilst rubbing his chin softly*
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Camshaft oil seal may be the cause then.
Best let SCC look at her again then.
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dv should not be open AT ALL at idle...

if it is openeing at all then this can cause exactly the symptoms youre describing (coz its an ai leak and its causing it to run lean)
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Originally Posted by McPikie
Originally Posted by keithG666
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
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Does it leak oil?
sometimes a bit of oil on the bonnet!! like a small spray!!!
"ooooooooooooooooooohhh"

*Stu grits teeth and sucks thru them whilst rubbing his chin softly*
PLEASE DON'T SAY THAT!!!
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Camshaft oil seal may be the cause then.
Best let SCC look at her again then.
I HATE CARS!!!!

But it ALWAYS had a little bit of oil through it!!!! even when it ran perefct!!!!!
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Keith my new rst idle shit, started a bit turd too. Removed the wank valve and it Idles, starts, revs, and runs 100 times better. I used a broomhandle
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Originally Posted by keithG666
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Stu @ M Developments,
Does it leak oil?
sometimes a bit of oil on the bonnet!! like a small spray!!!

:
above the d/v?
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Make sure you do the jubilee up nice and tight tho. I didnt and when I hit boost it was like a fucking cannon.

Vrrrooooooom, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, pop, ding ding ding

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Originally Posted by McPikie
Make sure you do the jubilee up nice and tight tho. I didnt and when I hit boost it was like a fucking cannon.

Vrrrooooooom, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, pop, ding ding ding

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Put some grooves in the broom handle to help it grip. Mine fired out on my Escos!!

Dont forget to alter the vacuum pipe back to normal too
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I shit one, thought i had holed a piston coz it misfired its tits off.

i stood on the hardshoulder for about 10 mins scratching my head................ then i noticed it
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Originally Posted by McPikie
Make sure you do the jubilee up nice and tight tho. I didnt and when I hit boost it was like a fucking cannon.

Vrrrooooooom, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, pop, ding ding ding

I've done that aswell
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As said, remove dump valve from Bosch KE as a first course of action EVERY TIME.
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My suggestion would be to get it to one of the specialists from here as it could be a number of things couldnt it.

Without seeing the car, we can all guess and make suggestions but a check over from an RS specialists will get a result within ten minutes.

Dont know if anyone agrees.
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NO i dont agree. I would rather try ALL suggestion first as this costs fook all but my own time. Specialists cost big bucks and dont always find the prob right away
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NO i dont agree. I would rather try ALL suggestion first as this costs fook all but my own time. Specialists cost big bucks and dont always find the prob right away
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agree with lee actually...

in an idea world we'd all take our cars to the garage to get looked at, but not all of us have the time or money to do so...

if it is something as simple as a knackered dumpvalve then keith would feel like a right bellend taking it to a garage for something so simple...
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We would probably charge £10 to tell somebody why there RS is running poor as we would usuallly astablish a fault within half an hour.

Not an expensive thing, after all RS Turbos are not rocket science are they.
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Shame there is no Jamsport close to me


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