Thrush

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..For doing 55 in a 60 zone!!!!!

Driving down a dual carrige(sp) way, national speed limit (60pmh) and I'm doing 55....

Old bill car pulls in behind me, flashes lights and sounds siren and indicates me to pull over, so we get to the roundabout where d/c ends and pull into the layby at the side of it.

I'm thinking "shit shit, must have somehow seen I wasn't wearing a seat belt" or "must have a brake light out" or something - buit wasn't thinking about speed as I knew I was only going 55!

So he says "do you know why I've pulled you over?" and I said no.

Then he says - "you were speeding"

I was like " Err, no mate I was doing 55!"

He then says "yes, you were doing 55, which is 5mph over the speed limit"

I said that it was a national speed limit d/c which - correct me if I am wrong - is 60mph.....

Then he hits me with that my vehicle is limited to 50mph on national speed limit d/c's as it is a commercial chassis vehicle!!!

I was like : WTF?

So he explained to me that because my van (Transit Connect, baby Transit thingy) isn't derived from a domestic chassis like an Escort van was or Fiesta van is, it's a 100% commercial chassis, and that according to the highway code, on any road bearing the national speed limit sign (other than motorways) my speed limit is 10mph LESS than the normal national limit!

I was lost for words! I just said to him I never had a clue about that, and wasn't aware of it at all!

Fortunately he said since I didn't know about it, he let me off Just said to me to take it on board for the future....

Weird!

CossieRich

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89xr2

Not that weird. That laws been around for years

Jim Galbally

im SURE thats bollocks, a transit connect is not a fucking HGV

im googling it now

Jim Galbally

yep just looked it up, its for goods veichles over 7.5 tonnes

the bloke's an IDIOT

i'd write to the police station

Thrush

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Thats what I thought Jim, but apparently it applies to all commercial chassis vehicles, not matter of weight or size

89XR2 - I had never heard of it Thought it was only for vehicles above 3.5tonne.....

smithy20vt

I ve never heard that before and i have to drive Transit Connect fairly often.

He sounds like a cock

89xr2

Definitely the law. Same as transit vans etc. have to do 60 on a motorway. Although if you're in a white van you're allowed to go as fast as is humanly possible, and undertake and generally drive like a wanker..

Thrush

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Neither had I, but it's alledgedly the law.. And he werne't that much of a cock cos he let me go with no points and no fine

Jim Galbally

no, its NOT definatelythe law

go google "highway code" or "national speed limit"

89xr2

Want me to quote the "traffic officers companion" with the law?

Anonymous

Eagle

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you are 100% correct ...

its a fuggin pain in the preverbial too

i got clocked at a bit higher than that tho

pleaded lack of knowledge and got a 3 pointer ..
only time i have ever been done for speeding

but i did comment that the vito is also a mpv

but aint the connect also some base for a fusion thingy ????

Jim Galbally

youre getting confused with SINGLE CARRAGEWAYS

thrush was on a DUAL

the speed limit for Goods vehicles is 60
http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm#103

89xr2

Actually. forget part of what I said. Vans are allowed to go 70 on the motorway but 60 on dual carriageways. I got myself confused with that bit.

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm#103

89xr2

He said it was a 60 limit though?

Jim Galbally

yeah i wasnt paying attention.

i agree that i was wrong about vans not counting as goods veichles. but the speed limit on his bit of road was still 60 :P so i was KINDA still right, the copper WAS a wanker

Eagle

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so long as the dual carriageway has a SOLID central reservation

BM08

ballin

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so many rules

JamboRS

is the national speed limit not 70 mph

BM08

Aint it

I mean how much do we pay to drive on the uk roads etc?
Sod rules, i think we should make the rules, my rule would be that there isnt any rules

Fast Guy

Funny I just posted exactly this yesterday on another forum that alot of van drivers transits/sprinters etc aren't aware that they have a lower speed limit than cars on single carrageways (50) and dual carrageways (60)
There is no transit car so the goods vehicle (not exceeding 7.5tonne) speed limit applys. Things like the escort van and astra van will be classed as cars.

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm

Jim Galbally

jambo, 70 is ONLY on dual carrageways and motorways, on single carrageways its 60!

cossiegreg1

so how fast can a transit go on a country road which is national sp limit? 50? and can only go 60 on dcarriageways but can go 70 on m ways? if thats right i never knew that

JamboRS

he says he was on a dual carraigeway,which is 70
we readin the same topic

if he's on a dual carraigeway and was told he must do 10mph less and he was doin 55 then he's 5mph under the limit

Thrush

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Jim, 70 is motorways, 60 is dual carrigeways, 50 is single.

There isn't any 70mph non M roads....

JamboRS

dual carraigeways with nsl apllies signs carry a 70mph speed limit for cars and motorcycles,single carraigeway are 60mph where the nsl applies sign is seen

Thrush

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Right here's how the copper explained it to me.

For a vehicle that is NOT derrived from a domestic chassis (such as a Fiesta van), like my Transit connect (which is a 100% commercial chassis);

Any roads, other than M-Roads, that show the National Speed Limit sign : , the speed the commercial vehicle is allowed to travel is 10mph LESS than the National Limit (single A-road national limit is 50, commercial chassis limited to 40, dual carrigeway limit 60, commercial chassis limited to 50)

M roads do not apply except to restricted vehicles

Any roads showing the speed in numbers (for example, the London North Circular, that has 3 lanes and shows repeater signs for 50mph on most parts) the restriction does not apply (commercial chassis is allowed to do the indicated speed limit.

Thrush

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Sorry, you are right, I fucked that bit up...

Thrush

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http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.htm#103

Okay, so THIS is the law..... So why did the copper stop me for doing 55, when a dual carriage way is 70, which means my van can go upto 60?

Unless it has to do with solid reservation d/c's ???

Phil DJ

Dual Carriageways are 70mph (national speed limit) unless otherwise stated (i.e a 50mph road sign) - or at least that's what i thought anyway

cossiegreg1

but a single a road is 60mph and a dual carriage way is 70mph

Thrush

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This is where the confusion has arisen. Copper told me that the d/c was 60 for normal cars so 50 for me, but the signs say national speed limit. Which means 70 for normal cars and 60 for me. So I think he was confused, and he confused me

TBH, I thought d/c national limit was 60 aswell

jamesw

So is a vw caddy van classed as a commercial vehicle or a car, also with crew cab pickups being classed as commercial vehicles do they have to abide by the same laws as well?

Spiky

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theres a difference in speed of 60mph and mph one any dual cariggage way

i.e 60mph on a dula carriage with NO solid central resivation

and 70mph on one with a solid central resavation

JamboRS

glad we've cleared that one up,now go back and do the same speed and wait till he pulls you then put him in his place

Thrush

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Spiky - if this is true then the copper was bang to rights then as the dual carriage I was on was not a solid reservation....

filthyrichie

its true even my pug partner van falls into that law