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26-04-2006, 08:26 AM
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Pardon my ignorance with these. Is it possible to borrow one off someone and plug it in and change the setting's on the Mondeo?? Or do you actually have to buy one and have it plugged in all the time?? Just trying to save £500 really 
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26-04-2006, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrush
Forgive my ignorance - what are they and what do they do?
They also have some diagnostics capability.
As others have said. Rob is your man for that.
26-04-2006, 12:30 PM
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Is it not cheaper to get a chip live mapped from say MSD than buy this Bluefin 
as I know nothing about these bluefin chips I would have thought a mapped chip would be better.
as I know nothing about these bluefin chips I would have thought a mapped chip would be better.
26-04-2006, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by D19 STE
Is it not cheaper to get a chip live mapped from say MSD than buy this Bluefin as I know nothing about these bluefin chips I would have thought a mapped chip would be better.
as I know nothing about these bluefin chips I would have thought a mapped chip would be better.However, the main benefit of the Bluefin is the ability to put the car back to standard if you want.
It's kind of swings and roundabouts.
26-04-2006, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Is it not cheaper to get a chip live mapped from say MSD than buy this Bluefin as I know nothing about these bluefin chips I would have thought a mapped chip would be better.
as I know nothing about these bluefin chips I would have thought a mapped chip would be better.However, the main benefit of the Bluefin is the ability to put the car back to standard if you want.
It's kind of swings and roundabouts.
26-04-2006, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Is it not cheaper to get a chip live mapped from say MSD than buy this Bluefin as I know nothing about these bluefin chips I would have thought a mapped chip would be better.
as I know nothing about these bluefin chips I would have thought a mapped chip would be better.However, the main benefit of the Bluefin is the ability to put the car back to standard if you want.
It's kind of swings and roundabouts.
They also act as a diagnostic code reader and a full ECU imobiliser (Wipes the ecu TOTALLY blank)
26-04-2006, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by D19 STE
Is it not cheaper to get a chip live mapped from say MSD than buy this Bluefin as I know nothing about these bluefin chips I would have thought a mapped chip would be better.
as I know nothing about these bluefin chips I would have thought a mapped chip would be better.However, the main benefit of the Bluefin is the ability to put the car back to standard if you want.
It's kind of swings and roundabouts.
They also act as a diagnostic code reader and a full ECU imobiliser (Wipes the ecu TOTALLY blank)
26-04-2006, 07:57 PM
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when the cars put back to original spec, can the blue fin device be used on another car?
trying to convince my dad to do his 2.2 mondeo, but as its a company car he only has it 7 months, but his replacement will be another 2.2 mondeo
trying to convince my dad to do his 2.2 mondeo, but as its a company car he only has it 7 months, but his replacement will be another 2.2 mondeo
26-04-2006, 08:06 PM
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when the cars put back to original spec, can the blue fin device be used on another car?
trying to convince my dad to do his 2.2 mondeo, but as its a company car he only has it 7 months, but his replacement will be another 2.2 mondeo
trying to convince my dad to do his 2.2 mondeo, but as its a company car he only has it 7 months, but his replacement will be another 2.2 mondeo
26-04-2006, 09:09 PM
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You can get the Bluefin "reset" by Superchips for around £70, or so i've been told. So might make sense for you to go halves with a mate on the whole shebang i.e. purchase & reset cost.
Seems like a good idea to me, just need to find someone trustworthy that wants their FRS doing...
Seems like a good idea to me, just need to find someone trustworthy that wants their FRS doing...
26-04-2006, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by plynchy
You can get the Bluefin "reset" by Superchips for around £70, or so i've been told. So might make sense for you to go halves with a mate on the whole shebang i.e. purchase & reset cost.
Seems like a good idea to me, just need to find someone trustworthy that wants their FRS doing...
Seems like a good idea to me, just need to find someone trustworthy that wants their FRS doing...
26-04-2006, 10:11 PM
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Sorry Rob,
There are ways around the ONE ECU ONE TIME USE as I heard of someone
who has helped his friend use his on at least 4 cars that I know off.
There is NO such thing as a secure system (ask Sky TV )
There are ways around the ONE ECU ONE TIME USE as I heard of someone
who has helped his friend use his on at least 4 cars that I know off.
There is NO such thing as a secure system (ask Sky TV
)
26-04-2006, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob@SCC Performance
Originally Posted by plynchy
You can get the Bluefin "reset" by Superchips for around £70, or so i've been told. So might make sense for you to go halves with a mate on the whole shebang i.e. purchase & reset cost.
Seems like a good idea to me, just need to find someone trustworthy that wants their FRS doing...
Seems like a good idea to me, just need to find someone trustworthy that wants their FRS doing...
Few peeps on the RSOC board seem to be under the impression that they can be reset for a fee and therefore sold on etc...
Please enlighten me if it can't be done.
26-04-2006, 10:49 PM
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plynchy,
Dont know wether or not superchips will do that - but as Rob is an agent
I guess his original answer is the best one you will get officially.
I should add this is NOT something I can help anyone with as that
would be illegal and quite wrong being a software devloper myself.
Keep an eye out at National day.....you never know what you might be able to buy.
Dont know wether or not superchips will do that - but as Rob is an agent
I guess his original answer is the best one you will get officially.
I should add this is NOT something I can help anyone with as that
would be illegal and quite wrong being a software devloper myself.
Keep an eye out at National day.....you never know what you might be able to buy.
26-04-2006, 10:54 PM
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I'd have to look at the thread again but i'm sure someone had asked the question so he could transfer his own bluefin unit onto another vehicle, and was able to get it reset by Superchips.
Be interested to know...
Be interested to know...
26-04-2006, 11:07 PM
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There is also a guy on the ST Owners club that is selling his ST TDCi Mondeo.
He said that he can send the Bluefin back to Superchips, they will reprogram it for a fee and he can then sell it on/use it on another car ect ect.....
Must admit, i thought it would of been a use once and thats your lot type of deal
He said that he can send the Bluefin back to Superchips, they will reprogram it for a fee and he can then sell it on/use it on another car ect ect.....
Must admit, i thought it would of been a use once and thats your lot type of deal
27-04-2006, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SECS
Sorry Rob,
There are ways around the ONE ECU ONE TIME USE as I heard of someone
who has helped his friend use his on at least 4 cars that I know off.
There is NO such thing as a secure system (ask Sky TV )
There are ways around the ONE ECU ONE TIME USE as I heard of someone
who has helped his friend use his on at least 4 cars that I know off.
There is NO such thing as a secure system (ask Sky TV
)
27-04-2006, 02:22 PM
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Rob@SCC Performance,
If anyone thinks any electronic system is 100% secure then they
are diluding themselves big time.
I am sure the official line from your employer/supplier will agree with
your statement but all systems are open to abuse from hackers.
E.G. Sky TV analog was 100% hacked before the digital version took over.
and even now, the digital channels are being watched illegally by some.
(not me of course)
If I thought I could earn some good money out of it as a bet
(with Super Chips blessing of course) , I could prove it to you myself
from my own engineering experience alone.
Just takes time and inclination.
Many companys employ professional hackers to find out weekness's
in products to make them better.
Not saying Bluefin is a bad product before anyone says otherwise.
If anyone thinks any electronic system is 100% secure then they
are diluding themselves big time.
I am sure the official line from your employer/supplier will agree with
your statement but all systems are open to abuse from hackers.
E.G. Sky TV analog was 100% hacked before the digital version took over.
and even now, the digital channels are being watched illegally by some.
(not me of course)
If I thought I could earn some good money out of it as a bet
(with Super Chips blessing of course) , I could prove it to you myself
from my own engineering experience alone.
Just takes time and inclination.
Many companys employ professional hackers to find out weekness's
in products to make them better.
Not saying Bluefin is a bad product before anyone says otherwise.
27-04-2006, 03:21 PM
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I'm confused now.
Just been chatting to a local Cossie/tuning expert (been in business quietly for AGES) and he was talking about a module that costs about £2k that can be used repeatedly on any compatible Ford. What is that??
One of his customers bought one and used it on his FRS and his diesel transit ( ) etc etc.
Just been chatting to a local Cossie/tuning expert (been in business quietly for AGES) and he was talking about a module that costs about £2k that can be used repeatedly on any compatible Ford. What is that??
One of his customers bought one and used it on his FRS and his diesel transit (
) etc etc.
27-04-2006, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by plynchy
I'm confused now.
Just been chatting to a local Cossie/tuning expert (been in business quietly for AGES) and he was talking about a module that costs about £2k that can be used repeatedly on any compatible Ford. What is that??
One of his customers bought one and used it on his FRS and his diesel transit ( ) etc etc.
Just been chatting to a local Cossie/tuning expert (been in business quietly for AGES) and he was talking about a module that costs about £2k that can be used repeatedly on any compatible Ford. What is that??
One of his customers bought one and used it on his FRS and his diesel transit (
) etc etc.
27-04-2006, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by plynchy
So the reset thing, is it possible? Even if you are the original buyer with proof etc?
27-04-2006, 06:08 PM
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This is the official Superchips Statement on the matter
April 2006
Superchips Bluefin Returns Policy for Retail Customers
In order to clarify our response to customers’ questions regarding Bluefin, we have agreed the following policies:-
Bluefin requires update
£ FOC
Return unit to us, completing the product return slip with all details including the vehicle’s VIN, using the pre-paid sticker. The unit will be processed and returned FOC.
Bluefin requires update following ECU reprogram by Ford Dealer
£ FOC + Overseas carriage
Return unit to us, completing the product return slip with all details including the vehicle’s VIN, using the pre-paid sticker. The unit will be processed and returned FOC in the UK but there will be a charge for overseas return carriage.
Bluefin requires upgrade to de-cat spec for Focus RS
£50 + Carriage + VAT
Return vehicle to org with Bluefin. Return unit to us, completing the product return slip with all details including the vehicle’s VIN, using the pre-paid sticker. The unit will be processed and returned for £50 plus return carriage and VAT.
Bluefin requires re-set for customers new car (Handset must be compatible with new vehicle)
Non-turbo £115 + Carriage + VAT
This will only apply within 12 months of the original purchase date and the original customer has registered the unit with us by completing and returning the warranty registration card at the time of purchase. Return old car to org with Bluefin. Return unit to us, completing the product return slip with all details including the vehicle’s VIN, using the pre-paid sticker. The unit will be processed and returned for £115 plus return carriage and VAT. If the old car was nasp and the new car is turbo, same conditions but £200.
Bluefin requires re-set following second hand purchase
10% + VAT Trade in allowance
Return unit to us, completing the product return slip or a letter detailing the second-hand purchaser’s details, using the pre-paid sticker if available. Providing the unit is serviceable an allowance of 10% will be given for the old unit against the purchase of a new Bluefin (Nasp or Turbo). This allowance can only be used towards the purchase of a new Bluefin unit at full retail price, no other product.
Hope that clears it up a little
April 2006
Superchips Bluefin Returns Policy for Retail Customers
In order to clarify our response to customers’ questions regarding Bluefin, we have agreed the following policies:-
Bluefin requires update
£ FOC
Return unit to us, completing the product return slip with all details including the vehicle’s VIN, using the pre-paid sticker. The unit will be processed and returned FOC.
Bluefin requires update following ECU reprogram by Ford Dealer
£ FOC + Overseas carriage
Return unit to us, completing the product return slip with all details including the vehicle’s VIN, using the pre-paid sticker. The unit will be processed and returned FOC in the UK but there will be a charge for overseas return carriage.
Bluefin requires upgrade to de-cat spec for Focus RS
£50 + Carriage + VAT
Return vehicle to org with Bluefin. Return unit to us, completing the product return slip with all details including the vehicle’s VIN, using the pre-paid sticker. The unit will be processed and returned for £50 plus return carriage and VAT.
Bluefin requires re-set for customers new car (Handset must be compatible with new vehicle)
Non-turbo £115 + Carriage + VAT
This will only apply within 12 months of the original purchase date and the original customer has registered the unit with us by completing and returning the warranty registration card at the time of purchase. Return old car to org with Bluefin. Return unit to us, completing the product return slip with all details including the vehicle’s VIN, using the pre-paid sticker. The unit will be processed and returned for £115 plus return carriage and VAT. If the old car was nasp and the new car is turbo, same conditions but £200.
Bluefin requires re-set following second hand purchase
10% + VAT Trade in allowance
Return unit to us, completing the product return slip or a letter detailing the second-hand purchaser’s details, using the pre-paid sticker if available. Providing the unit is serviceable an allowance of 10% will be given for the old unit against the purchase of a new Bluefin (Nasp or Turbo). This allowance can only be used towards the purchase of a new Bluefin unit at full retail price, no other product.
Hope that clears it up a little
27-04-2006, 06:16 PM
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Rob
Not really
So if i sell me car, then want to sell on my Bluefin to someone else......what do i have to do???
I dont want to but i am trying to get my head round it
Not really
So if i sell me car, then want to sell on my Bluefin to someone else......what do i have to do???
I dont want to but i am trying to get my head round it
27-04-2006, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TIFF
Rob
Not really
So if i sell me car, then want to sell on my Bluefin to someone else......what do i have to do???
I dont want to but i am trying to get my head round it
Not really
So if i sell me car, then want to sell on my Bluefin to someone else......what do i have to do???
I dont want to but i am trying to get my head round it
Non-turbo £115 + Carriage + VAT
This will only apply within 12 months of the original purchase date and the original customer has registered the unit with us by completing and returning the warranty registration card at the time of purchase. Return old car to org with Bluefin. Return unit to us, completing the product return slip with all details including the vehicle’s VIN, using the pre-paid sticker. The unit will be processed and returned for £115 plus return carriage and VAT. If the old car was nasp and the new car is turbo, same conditions but £200
Put your car back to std before selling then return it to superchips with a chq for £235 then you can install it once returned on your new car