Snowy_Astra

I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of my mother warning me of this so called law which apparently she heard mentioned on the news.

The way i understood her, it means that DVLA can seize a vehicle if its not insured, but has tax....even from your property

Someone please tell me its not true so i can get her off my back about it.

Puss2

iTrader: (5)

i heard this on the news too

fuzzy

never heard about this before but i would assume its to stop people driving uninsured cars if taxed ,if its taxed then it has to be insured as well .if its declared SORN then i dont think they would touch it.how they would know where cars were stored without insurance is another matter. might be wrong though

Snowy_Astra

Well if its true, that youcan't keep a car uninsured on your own land, its a fucking disgrace

What's next for drivers in this bloody country? We seem to be the target for everything!

fuzzy

why would you have a taxed car with no insurance?

starturbo

If they think they can come on my property and take the rs there will be a fookin baseball bat waitin for em.Then I will do em for trespass.Good old labour strike again.hittin the common man time after time.

Puss2

iTrader: (5)

cant see how they can do it people will just put car covers on so you cant see the plates

Snowy_Astra

Well if you're like me, and have a couple months tax, and you put the car away for the winter, all i do is uninsure it and leave it taxed to save the SORN bollocks and arse ache it causes.

Alps Pacino

Snowy_Astra


I agree with it tbh, there not saying you cant keep a car uninsured on your land there simply saying that

if its not taxed it should be declared sorn thus no need fo insurance.

Its a simple way to regulate uninsured drivers, a car with tax but no insurance something wrong there imo.

There is no circamstance that LEGAL people can fail on, you want your car uninsured declare it sorn and cash the tax in simple

fuzzy

i think i would keep mine insured incase of any accidents in storage or thieves/vandals.

Snowy_Astra

I appreciate what it does for us (us meaning the ones who are all legit) in the longrun, lower insurance premiums etc....but its still not going to sort the problem out. Its just passing the burdun onto law abiding people.

The law breakers arn't bothered about the law, it doesn't affect them....car gets taken, they buy another, back to square one etc

Why don't they put time, effort and money into a system that will get rid of the idiots without affecting the people who pay through the fucking nose enough as it is.

Snowy_Astra

Again, its useless having car insurance when a car is in storage....because the insurance company will do everything they possibly can to avoid paying for the damage.

They will not pay out 90% of the time for damage caused on private land, or in a garage.

focusv8

Here's the story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4295834.stm

Here's the thread last year:
https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...081&highlight=

They wouldn't be able to just come and lift the car, they would have to stick a notice on it and give at least 7 days notice.

They can't implement it until they are 100% sure that the insurance database is being kept up to date.

Oranoco

My Escort is taxed but has no insurance on it at present. Nothing dodgy about it at all though. I was moving house and the car is in store. I've not declared it SORn as I will start the new policy when I'm ready.

If they think they're going to come onto my property to take it they'll have a fight on their hands

daz1968

I bought a new car, transferred my insurance onto that, then advertised my old car with tax and mot in order to sell it, was in the locked garage and I didn't use it, when new owner collects its then up to him to arrange insurance, can't see anything wrong with that. I thought the car didn't have to be insured anyway, as long as someone driving it has 3rd party cover in case of accidents etc, as is this not how private traders insurance works, I think these laws are getting to complicated and we are not being informed properly of changes to them. We can easilt trip up then and put some money in the governments pockets.

Snowy_Astra

Another example of why its bollocks what they are doing.

One thing with insurance though, If you have 3rd party cover, the car you are driving MUST be insured by someone before you are allowed to drive it.

Insurance companies here don't allow domestic policies to cover the driver on a car which isn't insured already by someone else.

Snowy_Astra

Which means entering your private property

starturbo

Insurance premiums wont go down though.its like a new government getting in when they promise to cut tax.It never happens.They just double theyre profits.

EIL132

TBH you shouldn't have the car taxed if it's off the road, waste of money. Better to Sorn it and get it back, as it looks like your driving on the fly otherwise. What's worse is there's a pikey knob down the road from me driving around in an old MK4 Escort on German plates he bought, no insurance, tax, etc as it's a foreign car, however he's had it for 3 years!

Alps Pacino

All i can say is that it makes sense to me, the system they have will be a database with ALL taxed cars, then another database with ALL insured cars.

It makes it easier to catch Uninsured drivers by saying a123abc has road tax but no insurance.

The key point is the sorn Statutary OFF ROAD notification, what there trying to enforce is that if you have no insurance you SHOULD have declared your car SORN, i know its not a perfect method and the fact people wont use there commen sense when persuing soppsed uninsured drivers. Thats where the system falls down commen sense, and them not just saying "well its there in black and white"

If if helps catch illegal driver at a 1/2 hour of my convenience all well and good imo

Snowy_Astra

Surely there has to be some sort of loophole with regard to human rights.

The way i see it is they want a signature off me assuring them i am not going to break the law.

Totally against your rights IMO, You should be left with the responcibility of not breaking the law.............

I'm going to look into this, Its not right. There's plenty of ways they can apply a system to take uninsured people off the road.

One such way would be massive (and i mean MASSIVE) fines for offenders when they are caught, and if they don't pay the fine? Take their benefit/income/etc before it gets to them. We know they can do it, because blokes who have kids have it happen to them each month.

Its not ethical to piss law abiding people off by asking them to SORN a car, its paperwork, its hastle, it takes time etc etc and you should be left with the decision wether you will break the law or not.

I know it sounds stupid, but thats what freedom is all about. You are free to make your decision.....if your decision is to break the law, then when you get caught, you get punished.

4x4

Spot on mate.....

Listen, they can't do anything like that.

if they do, Get the dogs out or the dog and then samurai swords and take something that belongs to them coz it were'nt insured......

RichardC

yet another crock of shit dreamed up by an ineffective govornment

EIL132

Why? The law states if the car is uninsured it should be Sorned so you arent tempted to drive illegally. No human rights involved there I'm afraid

Snowy_Astra

you've just shown why what i said makes sense....

'Tempted' would mean that you intend to break the law. Normal people don't get 'tempted' to drive uninsured. I sure as hell don't because i know the concequences

Do you understand how your rights as a human being can be affected? If not, i suggest some law books

I'm not having a go, i'm just saying. It just seems wrong that they want you to sign something to assure them you won't break the law.

I'll dust the books down tomorrow and find out for sure.

It is your right to own a car, but it is your responcibility to use it whilst abiding by the laws that govern the ownershipand useage etc

M Brian

the car doesnt have to be insured to be driven by someone else.
id love for someone to find a court case that proves it does to settle this.

I have my turbo on my drive uninsured. It is taxed and will be till it runs out in june. I blew the engine up and need a few bits to finish it off to get it back on the road.

it takes 10 mins to get the car back on the road by ringing up an insurance company... is a major pain other wise, plus you lose money dependant on when you get it back on the road.

EIL132

Human rights is why this country is in a mess. The law is the the law. Insure it or STFU

david

Say youve bought a taxed car but not got round to using it yet hence no insurance, fucked if there gonna come and pick it off my drive

This country is fucked

EIL132

Why have you bought a car and not insured it? What if it's stolen from your driveway, not bothered, then shouldn't be bothered if the plod take it

Ginge !

what about traders policys then ?

david

Cos its accident damaged and not repaired yet, hence not insured.

Only way it would get stolen is on a back of a trailer etc so not much chance of that happening as its boxed in at night, any more points James ?

EIL132

You've no worries, produce it and they'll go away/give the car back

EIL132

Claim the tax back and sorn it then, no point having tax on a car that cant be driven

M Brian

bit of a pain in the arse for tax exempt cars too!!

shall I use it over winter... nah let insurance run out... oh I must remember to give in my free tax disc SORN it then go back to the post office again when the weather looks a bit better lol

this law sounds like a crock of shit

M Brian

if a car is kept on the road but not driven then I didnt think it needed to be insured? but it does need to be taxed?

david

Not worth the hassle for a tenner Need to register it then too.

EIL132

That's what sorn is for, when not in use it's off the road. Why oh why do people get their knickers in a twist about it. I would much rather not be shunted by some tosser that was uninsured or run over and having no claim. There's way to many cars on the road with no insurance (mate was ran over by one) and every step that's taken to curb this should be welcomed IMO unless you have an alterior motive. If that meant going to the post office to make sure, then where's the problem?

Snowy_Astra

I'd love to know who your insurers are.....seriously, because that would suit me down to the ground.

The only way round it is by having trade or comercial insurance cover. Which not a lot of people have or can get.

As far as I've always been aware, the car you're driving has to be fully insured by someone else before you can drive it.....and even then you arn't fully comprehensive, its only 3rd party cover.

Snowy_Astra

The problem is that its still not going to stop the problem! Its just another way of the government making money on the whole thing. You watch, next we'll be getting charged for the privelage of filing an off road declaration.

There's always going to be people uninsured/taxed, and the only real way of stopping it is having coppers doing their fucking job and stopping them.

My god, they are going to be hand fed soon Fucking useless lazy pigs.

If they come for my astra, on my property, then they better hope i'm not in. My property, not theirs....simple as. I'll have them for Trespassing!

EIL132

1 in 10 drivers are unisured, the amount of police you would need to find these Pikeys would be massive As far as I'm concerned I've nothing to hide, no fear of the police. Anyone that has, tough.