New law allowing DVLA to remove cars from private property?
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New law allowing DVLA to remove cars from private property?
I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of my mother warning me of this so called law which apparently she heard mentioned on the news.
The way i understood her, it means that DVLA can seize a vehicle if its not insured, but has tax....even from your property
Someone please tell me its not true so i can get her off my back about it.
The way i understood her, it means that DVLA can seize a vehicle if its not insured, but has tax....even from your property
Someone please tell me its not true so i can get her off my back about it.
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never heard about this before but i would assume its to stop people driving uninsured cars if taxed ,if its taxed then it has to be insured as well .if its declared SORN then i dont think they would touch it.how they would know where cars were stored without insurance is another matter. might be wrong though
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Originally Posted by puss
i heard this on the news too
What's next for drivers in this bloody country? We seem to be the target for everything!
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If they think they can come on my property and take the rs there will be a fookin baseball bat waitin for em.Then I will do em for trespass.Good old labour strike again.hittin the common man time after time.
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i heard this on the news too
What's next for drivers in this bloody country? We seem to be the target for everything!
cant see how they can do it people will just put car covers on so you cant see the plates
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Originally Posted by fuzzy
why would you have a taxed car with no insurance?
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I agree with it tbh, there not saying you cant keep a car uninsured on your land there simply saying that
if its not taxed it should be declared sorn thus no need fo insurance.
Its a simple way to regulate uninsured drivers, a car with tax but no insurance something wrong there imo.
There is no circamstance that LEGAL people can fail on, you want your car uninsured declare it sorn and cash the tax in simple
I agree with it tbh, there not saying you cant keep a car uninsured on your land there simply saying that
if its not taxed it should be declared sorn thus no need fo insurance.
Its a simple way to regulate uninsured drivers, a car with tax but no insurance something wrong there imo.
There is no circamstance that LEGAL people can fail on, you want your car uninsured declare it sorn and cash the tax in simple
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I agree with it tbh, there not saying you cant keep a car uninsured on your land there simply saying that
if its not taxed it should be declared sorn thus no need fo insurance.
Its a simple way to regulate uninsured drivers, a car with tax but no insurance something wrong there imo.
There is no circamstance that LEGAL people can fail on, you want your car uninsured declare it sorn and cash the tax in simple
I agree with it tbh, there not saying you cant keep a car uninsured on your land there simply saying that
if its not taxed it should be declared sorn thus no need fo insurance.
Its a simple way to regulate uninsured drivers, a car with tax but no insurance something wrong there imo.
There is no circamstance that LEGAL people can fail on, you want your car uninsured declare it sorn and cash the tax in simple
The law breakers arn't bothered about the law, it doesn't affect them....car gets taken, they buy another, back to square one etc
Why don't they put time, effort and money into a system that will get rid of the idiots without affecting the people who pay through the fucking nose enough as it is.
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Originally Posted by fuzzy
i think i would keep mine insured incase of any accidents in storage or thieves/vandals.
They will not pay out 90% of the time for damage caused on private land, or in a garage.
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Here's the story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4295834.stm
Here's the thread last year:
https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...081&highlight=
They wouldn't be able to just come and lift the car, they would have to stick a notice on it and give at least 7 days notice.
They can't implement it until they are 100% sure that the insurance database is being kept up to date.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4295834.stm
Here's the thread last year:
https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...081&highlight=
They wouldn't be able to just come and lift the car, they would have to stick a notice on it and give at least 7 days notice.
They can't implement it until they are 100% sure that the insurance database is being kept up to date.
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My Escort is taxed but has no insurance on it at present. Nothing dodgy about it at all though. I was moving house and the car is in store. I've not declared it SORn as I will start the new policy when I'm ready.
If they think they're going to come onto my property to take it they'll have a fight on their hands
If they think they're going to come onto my property to take it they'll have a fight on their hands
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I bought a new car, transferred my insurance onto that, then advertised my old car with tax and mot in order to sell it, was in the locked garage and I didn't use it, when new owner collects its then up to him to arrange insurance, can't see anything wrong with that. I thought the car didn't have to be insured anyway, as long as someone driving it has 3rd party cover in case of accidents etc, as is this not how private traders insurance works, I think these laws are getting to complicated and we are not being informed properly of changes to them. We can easilt trip up then and put some money in the governments pockets.
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Originally Posted by daz1968
I bought a new car, transferred my insurance onto that, then advertised my old car with tax and mot in order to sell it, was in the locked garage and I didn't use it, when new owner collects its then up to him to arrange insurance, can't see anything wrong with that. I thought the car didn't have to be insured anyway, as long as someone driving it has 3rd party cover in case of accidents etc, as is this not how private traders insurance works, I think these laws are getting to complicated and we are not being informed properly of changes to them. We can easilt trip up then and put some money in the governments pockets.
One thing with insurance though, If you have 3rd party cover, the car you are driving MUST be insured by someone before you are allowed to drive it.
Insurance companies here don't allow domestic policies to cover the driver on a car which isn't insured already by someone else.
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Originally Posted by focusv8
they would have to stick a notice on it and give at least 7 days notice.
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Originally Posted by Snowy_Astra
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I agree with it tbh, there not saying you cant keep a car uninsured on your land there simply saying that
if its not taxed it should be declared sorn thus no need fo insurance.
Its a simple way to regulate uninsured drivers, a car with tax but no insurance something wrong there imo.
There is no circamstance that LEGAL people can fail on, you want your car uninsured declare it sorn and cash the tax in simple
I agree with it tbh, there not saying you cant keep a car uninsured on your land there simply saying that
if its not taxed it should be declared sorn thus no need fo insurance.
Its a simple way to regulate uninsured drivers, a car with tax but no insurance something wrong there imo.
There is no circamstance that LEGAL people can fail on, you want your car uninsured declare it sorn and cash the tax in simple
The law breakers arn't bothered about the law, it doesn't affect them....car gets taken, they buy another, back to square one etc
Why don't they put time, effort and money into a system that will get rid of the idiots without affecting the people who pay through the fucking nose enough as it is.
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TBH you shouldn't have the car taxed if it's off the road, waste of money. Better to Sorn it and get it back, as it looks like your driving on the fly otherwise. What's worse is there's a pikey knob down the road from me driving around in an old MK4 Escort on German plates he bought, no insurance, tax, etc as it's a foreign car, however he's had it for 3 years!
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All i can say is that it makes sense to me, the system they have will be a database with ALL taxed cars, then another database with ALL insured cars.
It makes it easier to catch Uninsured drivers by saying a123abc has road tax but no insurance.
The key point is the sorn Statutary OFF ROAD notification, what there trying to enforce is that if you have no insurance you SHOULD have declared your car SORN, i know its not a perfect method and the fact people wont use there commen sense when persuing soppsed uninsured drivers. Thats where the system falls down commen sense, and them not just saying "well its there in black and white"
If if helps catch illegal driver at a 1/2 hour of my convenience all well and good imo
It makes it easier to catch Uninsured drivers by saying a123abc has road tax but no insurance.
The key point is the sorn Statutary OFF ROAD notification, what there trying to enforce is that if you have no insurance you SHOULD have declared your car SORN, i know its not a perfect method and the fact people wont use there commen sense when persuing soppsed uninsured drivers. Thats where the system falls down commen sense, and them not just saying "well its there in black and white"
If if helps catch illegal driver at a 1/2 hour of my convenience all well and good imo
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Surely there has to be some sort of loophole with regard to human rights.
The way i see it is they want a signature off me assuring them i am not going to break the law.
Totally against your rights IMO, You should be left with the responcibility of not breaking the law.............
I'm going to look into this, Its not right. There's plenty of ways they can apply a system to take uninsured people off the road.
One such way would be massive (and i mean MASSIVE) fines for offenders when they are caught, and if they don't pay the fine? Take their benefit/income/etc before it gets to them. We know they can do it, because blokes who have kids have it happen to them each month.
Its not ethical to piss law abiding people off by asking them to SORN a car, its paperwork, its hastle, it takes time etc etc and you should be left with the decision wether you will break the law or not.
I know it sounds stupid, but thats what freedom is all about. You are free to make your decision.....if your decision is to break the law, then when you get caught, you get punished.
The way i see it is they want a signature off me assuring them i am not going to break the law.
Totally against your rights IMO, You should be left with the responcibility of not breaking the law.............
I'm going to look into this, Its not right. There's plenty of ways they can apply a system to take uninsured people off the road.
One such way would be massive (and i mean MASSIVE) fines for offenders when they are caught, and if they don't pay the fine? Take their benefit/income/etc before it gets to them. We know they can do it, because blokes who have kids have it happen to them each month.
Its not ethical to piss law abiding people off by asking them to SORN a car, its paperwork, its hastle, it takes time etc etc and you should be left with the decision wether you will break the law or not.
I know it sounds stupid, but thats what freedom is all about. You are free to make your decision.....if your decision is to break the law, then when you get caught, you get punished.
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Originally Posted by starturbo
If they think they can come on my property and take the rs there will be a fookin baseball bat waitin for em.Then I will do em for trespass.Good old labour strike again.hittin the common man time after time.
Listen, they can't do anything like that.
if they do, Get the dogs out or the dog and then samurai swords and take something that belongs to them coz it were'nt insured......
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Originally Posted by Snowy_Astra
Surely there has to be some sort of loophole with regard to human rights.
The way i see it is they want a signature off me assuring them i am not going to break the law.
Totally against your rights IMO, You should be left with the responcibility of not breaking the law.............
I'm going to look into this, Its not right. There's plenty of ways they can apply a system to take uninsured people off the road.
One such way would be massive (and i mean MASSIVE) fines for offenders when they are caught, and if they don't pay the fine? Take their benefit/income/etc before it gets to them. We know they can do it, because blokes who have kids have it happen to them each month.
Its not ethical to piss law abiding people off by asking them to SORN a car, its paperwork, its hastle, it takes time etc etc and you should be left with the decision wether you will break the law or not.
I know it sounds stupid, but thats what freedom is all about. You are free to make your decision.....if your decision is to break the law, then when you get caught, you get punished.
The way i see it is they want a signature off me assuring them i am not going to break the law.
Totally against your rights IMO, You should be left with the responcibility of not breaking the law.............
I'm going to look into this, Its not right. There's plenty of ways they can apply a system to take uninsured people off the road.
One such way would be massive (and i mean MASSIVE) fines for offenders when they are caught, and if they don't pay the fine? Take their benefit/income/etc before it gets to them. We know they can do it, because blokes who have kids have it happen to them each month.
Its not ethical to piss law abiding people off by asking them to SORN a car, its paperwork, its hastle, it takes time etc etc and you should be left with the decision wether you will break the law or not.
I know it sounds stupid, but thats what freedom is all about. You are free to make your decision.....if your decision is to break the law, then when you get caught, you get punished.
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Originally Posted by EIL132
Originally Posted by Snowy_Astra
Surely there has to be some sort of loophole with regard to human rights.
The way i see it is they want a signature off me assuring them i am not going to break the law.
Totally against your rights IMO, You should be left with the responcibility of not breaking the law.............
I'm going to look into this, Its not right. There's plenty of ways they can apply a system to take uninsured people off the road.
One such way would be massive (and i mean MASSIVE) fines for offenders when they are caught, and if they don't pay the fine? Take their benefit/income/etc before it gets to them. We know they can do it, because blokes who have kids have it happen to them each month.
Its not ethical to piss law abiding people off by asking them to SORN a car, its paperwork, its hastle, it takes time etc etc and you should be left with the decision wether you will break the law or not.
I know it sounds stupid, but thats what freedom is all about. You are free to make your decision.....if your decision is to break the law, then when you get caught, you get punished.
The way i see it is they want a signature off me assuring them i am not going to break the law.
Totally against your rights IMO, You should be left with the responcibility of not breaking the law.............
I'm going to look into this, Its not right. There's plenty of ways they can apply a system to take uninsured people off the road.
One such way would be massive (and i mean MASSIVE) fines for offenders when they are caught, and if they don't pay the fine? Take their benefit/income/etc before it gets to them. We know they can do it, because blokes who have kids have it happen to them each month.
Its not ethical to piss law abiding people off by asking them to SORN a car, its paperwork, its hastle, it takes time etc etc and you should be left with the decision wether you will break the law or not.
I know it sounds stupid, but thats what freedom is all about. You are free to make your decision.....if your decision is to break the law, then when you get caught, you get punished.
'Tempted' would mean that you intend to break the law. Normal people don't get 'tempted' to drive uninsured. I sure as hell don't because i know the concequences
Do you understand how your rights as a human being can be affected? If not, i suggest some law books
I'm not having a go, i'm just saying. It just seems wrong that they want you to sign something to assure them you won't break the law.
I'll dust the books down tomorrow and find out for sure.
It is your right to own a car, but it is your responcibility to use it whilst abiding by the laws that govern the ownershipand useage etc
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the car doesnt have to be insured to be driven by someone else.
id love for someone to find a court case that proves it does to settle this.
I have my turbo on my drive uninsured. It is taxed and will be till it runs out in june. I blew the engine up and need a few bits to finish it off to get it back on the road.
it takes 10 mins to get the car back on the road by ringing up an insurance company... is a major pain other wise, plus you lose money dependant on when you get it back on the road.
id love for someone to find a court case that proves it does to settle this.
I have my turbo on my drive uninsured. It is taxed and will be till it runs out in june. I blew the engine up and need a few bits to finish it off to get it back on the road.
it takes 10 mins to get the car back on the road by ringing up an insurance company... is a major pain other wise, plus you lose money dependant on when you get it back on the road.
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Say youve bought a taxed car but not got round to using it yet hence no insurance, fucked if there gonna come and pick it off my drive
This country is fucked
This country is fucked
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Originally Posted by david
Say youve bought a taxed car but not got round to using it yet hence no insurance, fucked if there gonna come and pick it off my drive
This country is fucked
This country is fucked
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Originally Posted by david
Say youve bought a taxed car but not got round to using it yet hence no insurance, fucked if there gonna come and pick it off my drive
This country is fucked
This country is fucked
Only way it would get stolen is on a back of a trailer etc so not much chance of that happening as its boxed in at night, any more points James ?
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Originally Posted by david
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Originally Posted by david
Say youve bought a taxed car but not got round to using it yet hence no insurance, fucked if there gonna come and pick it off my drive
This country is fucked
This country is fucked
Only way it would get stolen is on a back of a trailer etc so not much chance of that happening as its boxed in at night, any more points James ?
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bit of a pain in the arse for tax exempt cars too!!
shall I use it over winter... nah let insurance run out... oh I must remember to give in my free tax disc SORN it then go back to the post office again when the weather looks a bit better lol
this law sounds like a crock of shit
shall I use it over winter... nah let insurance run out... oh I must remember to give in my free tax disc SORN it then go back to the post office again when the weather looks a bit better lol
this law sounds like a crock of shit
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Originally Posted by EIL132
Originally Posted by david
Say youve bought a taxed car but not got round to using it yet hence no insurance, fucked if there gonna come and pick it off my drive
This country is fucked
This country is fucked
Only way it would get stolen is on a back of a trailer etc so not much chance of that happening as its boxed in at night, any more points James ?
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Originally Posted by M Brian
bit of a pain in the arse for tax exempt cars too!!
shall I use it over winter... nah let insurance run out... oh I must remember to give in my free tax disc SORN it then go back to the post office again when the weather looks a bit better lol
this law sounds like a crock of shit
shall I use it over winter... nah let insurance run out... oh I must remember to give in my free tax disc SORN it then go back to the post office again when the weather looks a bit better lol
this law sounds like a crock of shit
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Originally Posted by M Brian
the car doesnt have to be insured to be driven by someone else.
id love for someone to find a court case that proves it does to settle this.
id love for someone to find a court case that proves it does to settle this.
The only way round it is by having trade or comercial insurance cover. Which not a lot of people have or can get.
As far as I've always been aware, the car you're driving has to be fully insured by someone else before you can drive it.....and even then you arn't fully comprehensive, its only 3rd party cover.
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Originally Posted by M Brian
bit of a pain in the arse for tax exempt cars too!!
shall I use it over winter... nah let insurance run out... oh I must remember to give in my free tax disc SORN it then go back to the post office again when the weather looks a bit better lol
this law sounds like a crock of shit
shall I use it over winter... nah let insurance run out... oh I must remember to give in my free tax disc SORN it then go back to the post office again when the weather looks a bit better lol
this law sounds like a crock of shit
There's always going to be people uninsured/taxed, and the only real way of stopping it is having coppers doing their fucking job and stopping them.
My god, they are going to be hand fed soon Fucking useless lazy pigs.
If they come for my astra, on my property, then they better hope i'm not in. My property, not theirs....simple as. I'll have them for Trespassing!
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Originally Posted by Snowy_Astra
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Originally Posted by M Brian
bit of a pain in the arse for tax exempt cars too!!
shall I use it over winter... nah let insurance run out... oh I must remember to give in my free tax disc SORN it then go back to the post office again when the weather looks a bit better lol
this law sounds like a crock of shit
shall I use it over winter... nah let insurance run out... oh I must remember to give in my free tax disc SORN it then go back to the post office again when the weather looks a bit better lol
this law sounds like a crock of shit
There's always going to be people uninsured/taxed, and the only real way of stopping it is having coppers doing their fucking job and stopping them.
My god, they are going to be hand fed soon Fucking useless lazy pigs.
If they come for my astra, on my property, then they better hope i'm not in. My property, not theirs....simple as. I'll have them for Trespassing!