BigNige

I was allegedly caught speeding in Nottm in Feb

I asked for a photo which was piss poor , Here is my response to the fooookers



24 March 2006
REF : C1000

Dear Sirs
I am writing with reference to your allegations of my breaching a 30mph speed limit on 15/2/06

I have a number of issues that I feel you should be given the opportunity to respond to.

I have asked for a copy of the evidence that you say you have available for which you have furnished me with a low quality small black and white image. From this image it is impossible to draw any of the following conclusions

• The fact that the car in the image is mine,all I recognise is the number plate and this could have been “cloned” at anytime
• At the time of the alleged offence I believe I was at my sisters house in Nottingham with my partner and my 9mth old son
• The image of the driver is purely black screen with no way of identifying the driver which in my last correspondence I informed you of the difficulty in knowing who may have been the driver
• You also have sent me a NIP in the last 3 weeks for a vehicle M111JPH that I sold 3 years ago and the VRM was sold separately yet you still manage to have me as the registered keeper of a vehicle that doesn’t exist. Yet you want me to accept the accuracy of your process

In light of the above facts I cannot at this time with any degree of accuracy state that my car is the one in the alleged letter, whom the driver was at the alleged time

If you consider further action under Section 172 of the RTA I would request a stay in any action until the outcome of the following case is heard later this year by the court for Human rights, Then based upon the outcome the action should then be re assessed.

Eight Motorists' Right to Silence Defence to be heard by European Court of Human Rights.
The European Court of Human Rights has accepted eight motorists' applications claiming that S172 of the 1988 Road Traffic Act breaches the right to silence implicit in Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Given that 90% of applications are rejected at this first stage, this is an important step in a process which, if successful, will make the speed camera system unworkable.
The British government has been asked by the European Court of Human Rights to respond to these applications by January 18th and 19th 2005. The applicants will then be able to respond in turn and a court verdict is expected some time in 2006.


If you feel that the action you need to take will not be either overruled or prejudiced by this case you have my details

Nigel Sherwood

RichardC

nice letter to get things off your chest

but, they wont care, you might be lucky and they drop the case, or you might just get a summons.

have you taken any advice from these guys? www.forums.pepipoo.com as they know thier stuff.

DanRSturbo

NIce one m8

BigNige

Aye and the "right to silence" people to


Just annoys me so much that they cant even confirm to me the colour of my car from their image

I said why not she says dont know ????

Nige

Fil

sounds like a prison of a work place!

i remember getting a word in my ear about handbrake turning the company van in the car park, wasnt too pleased when i asked if i could have a copy of the video

also got told off over crashing into the offices and cracking the wall in a fiesta with the weakest brakes going, this then turned into months of piss taking, as expected

DanRSturbo

It may of been pretty hard to spot the offending vehicles colour code as it hit mach 3

RichardC

hmm, red light in a carpark, are they serious, why is it given such a high profile?

I would write a letter to HR telling them that as they have no positive video evidence and the fact that as a member of the public, the security guards statement is not primary evidence and therefor would not stand up in a court of law, they cannot discipline you.

I would ask for thier comments back to you in writing too.

also state that as no evidence of identity was given, they should remove all pertaining documantaion from your file, unless they want to take it further, legally speaking

Rich

BigNige

In my diesel A6 MMmmmmm Not like the old days mate

Nige

POPEYE

surely even in a black and white photo they must have been able to pick out some 6' 9 ginger bungle lookalike

DanRSturbo

BigNige

Pops remember what happend when you drove any of my cars

Ching Ching

6 Points

Et Voila if had been you driving they would spot your silver bonce so easily

"Cock"



Nige

POPEYE

thats cos i drove YOUR car harder than you
dont help when you point out YOUR non legal number plate either

plus "FAT COCK"

POPEYE

opps that sound nice

"FAT GINGER COCK"

pjv7771

jesus mate havnt you got a union at your place !, is it 1906 all of a sudden, they cant give you an official warning on the say so of some squinty eyed old fucker with a pen and paper, if you have any kind of representation at your place id be having a word with them

BigNige

Pops

I asked the copper who gets done for any vehicle defects he says driver

That was you

Tehn i help him see the dodgy plates

Nige

COCK

BigNige

Well now i have got a leeter from the plod

This office has requested that you the user/keeper of Audi A6 1.9 TDI did not comply with your duty under section 172 of the RTA 1988 by providing the required details of the driver of that vehicle at the time and date relevant

Having considered all the evidence it is felat you have failed to give the information required , This is an offence

I must therefore advise you that in the next ten days a file will be raiesed and forwarded from this office for consideration of your prosecution

Yours Faithfully


The filth


Oh Well wait and see what comes in the next 10days then

Anonymous

Looks to me like you have been TRYING to help them out.

I believe the offence is not in fact an offence if you not identifying is not through any fault of your own.

BigNige

Aye Chip

Cant wait for the court date ,

The points at the moment are 3 and £60

Court will be 4 pts and £120 fine and £30 costs

or

Nowt if its nowt im asking for my costs back

Nige

Anonymous

I gave the details of someone driving my car who had sinced moved abroard and i had no forwarding address for cause they were backpacking (or iddnt exist, i cant remember now )

They said they were going to do me for failure to identify, but i pointed out that i HAD identified but the person had since moved, they realised this was me meeting my obligation and dropped it.

Yours isnt as cut and dry as that, but i still dont see how they can penalise you when you have genuinely been trying your hardest to co-operate.

Especially as no doubt you have a few witnesses that the car was where you say it was, not driven by anyone, parked on the driveway.


Maybe you should have been more specific about that fact?


At the time of the offence (by my watch, which may be wrong, so you can prosecute me for lieing, its not an offence for my watch not to be calibrated to the local speed cameras) the person driving my vehicle was "NO ONE" as it was parked.

BigNige

Your spot on and thats my response to the NIP that will no doubt come through in the next 10days or so

It will be a case of i have told you who may have been driving if it is my car

I have also sttated that your picture doesnt clearly show the car has being mine

I wasnt where you say i was at the time

and my wild cardd


" when i called your civilian manned helpdesk on what to do i was told

Decide amongst yourselves who was driving and taking the points"

i Said what if i dont know who it was

" well one of you need to take the points"


Was a belter of a chat

Nige

dojj

iTrader: (3)

what they will do is look for any sort of identifiying marks on the vehicle that match those in the picture

if you've got a sticker in the window or a little scratch on the bumper or whatever

thing is, they can't enhance the image they got from the camera and present that as evidence, so if you DID have a blue sticker in the window and they DID have a blue sticker in the window of the car in the picture, they couldn't enhance the image to see what was written on it to see if you DID win a blue peter badge and were proudly displaying the fact in the rear window of your car

but plod do tend to have a habit of "looking" out for people who try to wriggle out of cases as watertight as a sieve later on in the day round my way so even if you do end up getting your costs paid.............

as a matter of intrest, where baouts in notingham were you alegedly caught?
they have more cameras than anywhere else i've been to
EVER!!!!

RS500/364

? for you you know the driver of the car and you spoke to the drive they said that you would be in breach of the data protection act if you passed on there detail and would sue you how would you stand

Anonymous

Did you record it?

BigNige

Arnold area

Howbeck road or something other

The image is shocking quality really shocking , I asked loads of people what colour the car is in the pic and make etc

NONE got audi
NONE got A6
None got pale blue

MMmmm

Nige

BigNige

Chip Nope but she repeated it 2 to 3 times and said the calls logged so ill be asking for that in court

Data protection act only counts if you can only get the drivers name from a PC based system and Data P act is very weak on this

Nige

Anonymous

As you arent calling their data up from an elctronic means, its irrelevant

If i have your name and other details written down, or in my head, its not covered, its only for electronically stored or created data.

Well, that used to be the case anyway, unless there is some new revision i dont know about to the law.

jb fletch

iTrader: (1)

NIGELLLLLL

Whats happenin son ?

Still speedin i see LOL And still tryin to get off it like the good old Southend 3 PMSL

I was well impressed wit ya letter, but their a bunch of cocks man. fookin hate the plod !

Make sure you keep us infromed wit how it goes cos when I get my new toy, I'll no doubt need some of dem legal jargen lines off ya

Jb

P.s. what you drivin now apart from the TDi ?

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

were you speeding in nottingham
did you jump the red light
did you do a handbrake turn

BigNige

Fletch

At the moment just the A6 have looked at a couple of things , a 911 and another M3 but running costs are ridiculous

Will prob get another "Toy" Esscy Cos at some point

Tsystems : No comment

dojj

iTrader: (3)

looks like plod are just waiting for you to give up and pay the money and take the points

if you can't tell what car it is in the picture then they haven't got a leg to stand on

BigNige

Dojj

Its only the VRM that they are saying they can recognise from the image , I have asked for clarification from the photo of make model and colour

They have saoid they cant tell

CLONED number plates possibility

Will see what happens

Nieg

Anonymous

put some gay halfords "wiper spoilers" on your car, preferably in pink.

When it goes to court, look at the original and say "its not my car, where are my trendy spoilers?"

BigNige

Chip

LOL

Your again almost spot on , My curerent tax disc holder is a small black plastci circle one , It will become a silver TT looking one with the silver ring that should be distinguishable on the photo

|but it wont be

dojj

iTrader: (3)

if you can say the car wasn't there when they say it was, and they can't id the car other than the plate, i'd say you've got your basic open and shut case of them not being anle to proove it's either you OR your car in the picutre

RS500/364

ok then the way they tell you eg will only give there details by email
hows is that ?

Anonymous

Great minds think alike

Or fools seldom differ

Anonymous

Its your LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY to know the driver of your car at all times and be able to present that information to the police.

If someone wont give you that information, or let you share it, then you shouldnt be letting them drive the car.

You are also responsible for them having insurance etc (look up code IN12 on the web if you dont beleive me!)

The data protection act is of utterly no use here, especially as police can apply for an exemption whenever its in legal proceedings anyway.

jasonp

Hey nige good to see life is never dull for you Fookin plods did me for same thing a while ago,couldnt have been a fookin jumbo jet in the picture from what i could see