Focus RS or Civic Type R??
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Focus RS or Civic Type R??
Hi, i currently have a focus 1.8 zetec and now i've came off age and means to get something decent. These are the options i've been weighing up for a trade in.
Focus RS
Civic Type R
Basically you can get a decent civic for 10k. And for the RS i'd be looking at around 14k i've saved up enough money to buy either but i'm just wondering if i'd be justified in paying the extra 4k? Performance wise on paper there very much a-like. I've only had a test drive in the civic curerently due to the rarety of the RS.
I was impressed with the drive of type r. Although i felt the steering felt less responsive/involving. I couldn't exactly tell what was going on when cornering. And the brakes wern't overly impressive either. Although the performance seemed to be there and when it hits around 6krpm it's at it's peak untill around 8krmp. Although this was nice untill you get to the 6krpm performance doesn't feel much better than my 1.8.
So basically i wanted to ask for your views as i'm sure a few of you have actually driven the RS. Do you think whats lacking in the type r can be found in the RS??
Thanks for taking the time to read this look fowards to reading your posts.
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Basically you can get a decent civic for 10k. And for the RS i'd be looking at around 14k i've saved up enough money to buy either but i'm just wondering if i'd be justified in paying the extra 4k? Performance wise on paper there very much a-like. I've only had a test drive in the civic curerently due to the rarety of the RS.
I was impressed with the drive of type r. Although i felt the steering felt less responsive/involving. I couldn't exactly tell what was going on when cornering. And the brakes wern't overly impressive either. Although the performance seemed to be there and when it hits around 6krpm it's at it's peak untill around 8krmp. Although this was nice untill you get to the 6krpm performance doesn't feel much better than my 1.8.
So basically i wanted to ask for your views as i'm sure a few of you have actually driven the RS. Do you think whats lacking in the type r can be found in the RS??
Thanks for taking the time to read this look fowards to reading your posts.
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Originally Posted by EIL132
Type R is the bench mark for FWD hot hatches, figure it out
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Id go for the focus rs aswell if i had the choice out of them too, just think the performance is slightly better and better looking car/ more exclusive etc. Dont know about you lot but when i see a civic type r on the road i dont really bat an eye anymore because i see so many, but when i see a focus rs i always break my neck trying to look at it
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Originally Posted by Daviet
Originally Posted by EIL132
Type R is the bench mark for FWD hot hatches, figure it out
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def the focus rs no Comparison between the two the focus is faster, looks the part i'm not saying the civic does'nt but the focus got that wow factor cheaper to Modify, better standard package, well if i had the choice i would take the focus rs over the civic
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Driven both many many times and couldnt live with the crappy unresponsive engine in teh Civic TBH. You have to wring its fooking neck to get it to go... like having a T4 without the power
Those suggesting the Civic, have you actually driven a FRS in anger? Its a far different beast to what most expect, its a VERY good package indeed.
Those suggesting the Civic, have you actually driven a FRS in anger? Its a far different beast to what most expect, its a VERY good package indeed.
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If you cut me in half in my day job, I'd have honda written through me. When I sell one, I do it knowing full well I won't have the customer come whinging back about something breaking on it or reliability issues
Having said that, I'd choose the Focus RS even though it's BOUND to cost more in upkeep no matter what anyone may tell you.
The Type R's are brilliant, but obviously lack the torque you get in the RS, which IMO is far more exciting doing 60 and feeling like you are, than having to look down at the speedo to see what you're doing
Like Stu said, you have to drive the vtec engine a bit harder to get more out of it, but it also means you can drive it very sensibly and get good economy and that's what they're built for I suppose
Having said that, I'd choose the Focus RS even though it's BOUND to cost more in upkeep no matter what anyone may tell you.
The Type R's are brilliant, but obviously lack the torque you get in the RS, which IMO is far more exciting doing 60 and feeling like you are, than having to look down at the speedo to see what you're doing
Like Stu said, you have to drive the vtec engine a bit harder to get more out of it, but it also means you can drive it very sensibly and get good economy and that's what they're built for I suppose
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Driven both many many times and couldnt live with the crappy unresponsive engine in the Civic TBH. You have to wring its fooking neck to get it to go... like having a T4 without the power
Those suggesting the Civic, have you actually driven a FRS in anger? Its a far different beast to what most expect, its a VERY good package indeed.
Those suggesting the Civic, have you actually driven a FRS in anger? Its a far different beast to what most expect, its a VERY good package indeed.
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Can't be arsed to go into it, do a search but Focus RS easy. Far more tuning potential, less common and holds its value faaaaaarr better. Both fantastic hatches though.
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As said above Focus RS
i tried the Type R and R32 and bought the RS
since when has the Civic been the bench mark? as said before you have to rag the nuts out of the civic to get it going
all 3 are great cars though
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i tried the Type R and R32 and bought the RS
since when has the Civic been the bench mark? as said before you have to rag the nuts out of the civic to get it going
all 3 are great cars though
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Focus RS, different kettle of fish.. Hate all this revving bollocks, they sound shit when they rev high and go all raspy.. HATE IT! get the low down grunt from the Focus anyday
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pound for pound its better due to cost but FRS is the don
pound for pound its better due to cost but FRS is the don
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Originally Posted by Kev.H
Civic is a great car and revving the tits off it is mega fun fit a AEM CAI and hey presto it sounds like a race car
pound for pound its better due to cost but FRS is the don
pound for pound its better due to cost but FRS is the don
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Originally Posted by St3V3_C
I'd take the Focus.
BUT can you really get one for £14k
BUT can you really get one for £14k
Then swapped it for that nice Cosworth Transit in this months Fast Ford
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Originally Posted by Kev.H
Civic is a great car and revving the tits off it is mega fun fit a AEM CAI and hey presto it sounds like a race car
pound for pound its better due to cost but FRS is the don
pound for pound its better due to cost but FRS is the don
Ive had both and the civic aint that bad a car, engine is so sweet but FRS like i said is the don
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not this one again
focus rs all the way this car will hold its money and the type r will not be worth nothing
the rs is class the type r is jap
my main ford dealer tells me that the rs badge is dead so the focus rs is the last of the line well for now think of the rs focus as a investment
iv got a mint fiests rsturbo sat in my garage worth around 3800, 4000. the point im making is the focus wont devalue
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focus rs all the way this car will hold its money and the type r will not be worth nothing
the rs is class the type r is jap
my main ford dealer tells me that the rs badge is dead so the focus rs is the last of the line well for now think of the rs focus as a investment
iv got a mint fiests rsturbo sat in my garage worth around 3800, 4000. the point im making is the focus wont devalue
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p.s went out in the new st focus the other day and........ it was awsome mate, 2.5 volvo turbo unit the inside is beautifull 18500 quid but still will not hold its money like a rs focus ..why ? it doesent have the rs badge and doesent have the pedigree
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Originally Posted by Kev.H
Originally Posted by pgtips
Originally Posted by Kev.H
Civic is a great car and revving the tits off it is mega fun fit a AEM CAI and hey presto it sounds like a race car
pound for pound its better due to cost but FRS is the don
pound for pound its better due to cost but FRS is the don
Ive had both and the civic aint that bad a car, engine is so sweet but FRS like i said is the don
you made the right choice in the end though
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I like the ST but look at the Mk1 Focus ST an 02 plate is now about 7k and didnt they cost the same the Type R and a cheap one of them is 9k
ST residuals in 3 years kin shocking
be a great second hand buy
ST residuals in 3 years kin shocking
be a great second hand buy
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lets get things right about the type r power,, its not that fast . i have a well set up 180/190 erst and will easly stay with any type r granted when it comes to corners the type r is very good but not as good as a focus, now the other thing is what stu said .. to get power out of the type r you have to ring its bolloks abit like a superbike power only at high revs why? cus torque is only produced at the bottom of the revs so to get the same power out of the focus you dont need to ring it as the focus develops its power at the bottom of the revs..the one thing you notice when drivin n/a cars is how many revs you need to get them to go , but the type r is even worse cus of vv only come into play at massive revs..
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dude the typre's engine is designed to rev it loves it and thats how it needs to be driven vry hard and infact round town it drives better than a FRS and in standard form there is nothing init I had a few run is with my type R and frs's and it was even stevens infact if anything the R would creep very slightly away
But the FRS is way better all round brakes handling and easy to get power and when modified its a different story FRS as standard was a shockingly horrible car to drive I found coming from a type R
But the FRS is way better all round brakes handling and easy to get power and when modified its a different story FRS as standard was a shockingly horrible car to drive I found coming from a type R
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i think that the end of the day if you like a car that has to be red lined b4 it goes ,well thats the car for you , but for me thers no tunning caperbilities and no class mate..
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i think that the end of the day if you like a car that has to be red lined b4 it goes ,well thats the car for you , but for me thers no tunning caperbilities and no class mate..
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p.s went out in the new st focus the other day and........ it was awsome mate, 2.5 volvo turbo unit the inside is beautifull 18500 quid but still will not hold its money like a rs focus ..why ? it doesent have the rs badge and doesent have the pedigree
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ST is a mass production car so there will be a good supply and they'll lose monety hand over fist ( goody goody )
Nothing about the badge alone will make it hold it's value
Look at the amount of RS Turbo shitters that can be had for a few grand
I'm not knocking the RS, it's my choice too but your logic is flawed
As for your Fiesta as an example I think it was about £13k new so £4k now is hardly an investment is it
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The thing is if I go out for a five minute drive now, I can guarantee that I will see a Type R , can I honestly say the same aboot the Focus RS,
Oh and a much better looking car by the way
PS, You did notice you are logged on to a ford site
Oh and a much better looking car by the way
PS, You did notice you are logged on to a ford site
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Thanks for all the response on this. It's hard to decide i know i'd rather own the FRS thats a fact. But it's just the extra 4k i'd be paying on top for a car of the same year/mileage etc.
Well once i find a FRS for sale in my area i'm going to take the dip try it out and give it a test drive. And who knows.....
Watch this space
Well once i find a FRS for sale in my area i'm going to take the dip try it out and give it a test drive. And who knows.....
Watch this space
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Thanks for all the response on this. It's hard to decide i know i'd rather own the FRS thats a fact. But it's just the extra 4k i'd be paying on top for a car of the same year/mileage etc.
Well once i find a FRS for sale in my area i'm going to take the dip try it out and give it a test drive. And who knows.....
Watch this space
Well once i find a FRS for sale in my area i'm going to take the dip try it out and give it a test drive. And who knows.....
Watch this space