Neccesity for a rear anti roll bar on a 3dr cossie????
12-03-2006, 09:35 AM
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Neccesity for a rear anti roll bar on a 3dr cossie????
Hello every1 
Got the cossie as a bare shell now and have started to strip down the rear beam, amongst other things, ready for the powder coaters.......the small drop links for the rear arb have small bonded rubber bushes used for their location, these are knackered and half falling out. Cant see them listed under the items that are included in the polybush kits so presume they are a Ford only item...also presuming, knowing Ford, that they will be no longer availble.....so do I really need a rear anti roll bar as im running coilovers I can control body roll via the damping rate as in the same manner when doing away with the front roll bar for compression struts???
CheeRS,
Stu
Got the cossie as a bare shell now and have started to strip down the rear beam, amongst other things, ready for the powder coaters.......the small drop links for the rear arb have small bonded rubber bushes used for their location, these are knackered and half falling out. Cant see them listed under the items that are included in the polybush kits so presume they are a Ford only item...also presuming, knowing Ford, that they will be no longer availble.....so do I really need a rear anti roll bar as im running coilovers I can control body roll via the damping rate as in the same manner when doing away with the front roll bar for compression struts??? CheeRS,
Stu
12-03-2006, 10:32 AM
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hi mate had mine done not long ago, I purchased a new set from ford. Cant remember the cost now, but im sure they still stock the items.
You can of course save yourself the hassle and buy mine
You can of course save yourself the hassle and buy mine
12-03-2006, 01:49 PM
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the 3dr ones are different to the saffs though as they sit on the outer part of the arm not the inner and the links are shorter- I bought a set about 5 years ago - I think they are the same as the xr4i - Doo is your man to find out if they are still available
12-03-2006, 11:51 PM
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CheeRS for the replies...aka is right tho, the 3dr is much different to the saffy...i'll drop into my local unhelpfull (especially to me as im a vauxhall technitian lol) Ford parts counter tomorrow and see what the score is.
Stu.
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13-03-2006, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by markk
for the size of them they do absolutly nothing, espcially if you already have uprated shocker/spring combo. the thickness of the bar has already been overcome by your new shocker setup. leave it off pal.
ah top rod, mines on AVO mono tube coil overs
in the bin it is then lol
13-03-2006, 10:35 AM
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chip - the last one
ah top rod, mines on AVO mono tube coil overs
in the bin it is then lol
Originally Posted by markk
for the size of them they do absolutly nothing, espcially if you already have uprated shocker/spring combo. the thickness of the bar has already been overcome by your new shocker setup. leave it off pal.
ah top rod, mines on AVO mono tube coil overs
in the bin it is then lol
13-03-2006, 11:38 AM
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Whiteline do various different length rose jointed adjustable droplinks that would fit 
.
As has been said, the 3-door has the smallest one on at 14mm compared to the 2wd Sapphire at 16mm, the 4x4 Sapphire at 18mm and the Escort at 22mm.
I have no idea what effect running without one would have on a 3-door, so can't help there.
.As has been said, the 3-door has the smallest one on at 14mm compared to the 2wd Sapphire at 16mm, the 4x4 Sapphire at 18mm and the Escort at 22mm.
I have no idea what effect running without one would have on a 3-door, so can't help there.
13-03-2006, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rsnissan
anyone ever fit a escos one to the 3dr then?
, doesn't answer the question about a 3dr though
13-03-2006, 12:44 PM
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Generally I don't understand the popular policy (on PF) of getting rid of ARB's front and rear. But it may be that this one is small enough not to make any difference. I would prefer to upgrade it somehow to thicker one then to get rid of it. ARB's are important part of the suspentions system and it's not like you can have real body control without them. It's like anther spring which works only during cornering.
13-03-2006, 12:52 PM
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Fudger, do you sit around waiting for somebody to ask about 3dr parts and then chime in on every one of those threads to say you need the same part as well? 
13-03-2006, 12:53 PM
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Fudger, do you sit around waiting for somebody to ask about 3dr parts and then chime in on every one of those threads to say you need the same part as well?
Yes, cause its a case of the blind following the hard of sight
13-03-2006, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rsnissan
anyone ever fit a escos one to the 3dr then?
, doesn't answer the question about a 3dr though . I had one on my Sapphire as well . Unfortunately the 3-door has different rear anti-roll bar pick up points to the Sapphire / Escort.
13-03-2006, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Unfortunately the 3-door has different rear anti-roll bar pick up points to the Sapphire / Escort.
I'm sure it wouldn't stop somebody like Brom@Zoo or Martin@Reyland
13-03-2006, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Azrael
ARB's are important part of the suspentions system and it's not like you can have real body control without them. It's like anther spring which works only during cornering.
Compression Struts and adjustable shocks will also controll body roll, lots of race cars use this and just use an ARB for fine tuning rather than totally controlling the roll. The compression struts provide a more solididity in terms of for/aft movement as well, on a road going car ie escos the ARB helps with this as well as trying to controll the roll.
13-03-2006, 01:02 PM
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they are available at my local ford parts, i enquired about them last week. Dont think they are cheap tho, cant remember the exact price but im sure he said Ł70 ish
13-03-2006, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DogSmoke
Fudger, do you sit around waiting for somebody to ask about 3dr parts and then chime in on every one of those threads to say you need the same part as well?
13-03-2006, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
........Unfortunately the 3-door has different rear anti-roll bar pick up points to the Sapphire / Escort.
Ah, bugger, there goes the "easy option" for an ugrade then
13-03-2006, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
........Unfortunately the 3-door has different rear anti-roll bar pick up points to the Sapphire / Escort.
Ah, bugger, there goes the "easy option" for an ugrade then
13-03-2006, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MattRS1600i
Compression Struts and adjustable shocks will also controll body roll, lots of race cars use this and just use an ARB for fine tuning rather than totally controlling the roll. The compression struts provide a more solididity in terms of for/aft movement as well, on a road going car ie escos the ARB helps with this as well as trying to controll the roll.
Dampers have nothing to do with roll control i conrners longer then very very short.
13-03-2006, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Of course he would, it's 3.5 times stiffer than the Sapphire one . I had one on my Sapphire as well . Unfortunately the 3-door has different rear anti-roll bar pick up points to the Sapphire / Escort.
. I had one on my Sapphire as well . Unfortunately the 3-door has different rear anti-roll bar pick up points to the Sapphire / Escort.
13-03-2006, 01:46 PM
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Hi Frog,
Actually I've just checked and the Sierra one is just 14mm
, the 2wd Sapphire is 16mm, the 4x4 Sapphire is 18mm and the Escort 22mm.
They are all interchangeable apart from the Sierra (3-dr) one.
To make comparison's in roll rates, you have to calculate them to the power of four.
So 16mm x 16mm x 16mm x 16mm = 65536 for the 2wd Sierra
and 22mm x 22mm x 22mm x 22mm = 234256 for the Escort
234256/65536 = 3.57 times stiffer.
Actually I've just checked and the Sierra one is just 14mm
, the 2wd Sapphire is 16mm, the 4x4 Sapphire is 18mm and the Escort 22mm.They are all interchangeable apart from the Sierra (3-dr) one.
To make comparison's in roll rates, you have to calculate them to the power of four.
So 16mm x 16mm x 16mm x 16mm = 65536 for the 2wd Sierra
and 22mm x 22mm x 22mm x 22mm = 234256 for the Escort
234256/65536 = 3.57 times stiffer
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13-03-2006, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Azrael
NIck - maybe it's because it's estate???