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phil4x4saph

Just a thought, as we are all freinds in the EU now, and covered by some europe wide legislation, would it be possible to get the car MOT'd in the UK?

We are a member state afterall, you can use your EU licence over here.

Got to be worth an ask!

Azrael

Honestly. Last time I went was with my granddads Seicento and I had big problems later to fix stuff in it (Seicentos have problems with rear brakes from new), never again.

PauloV8

It might be possible.
I have an uncle living in france and he is running a car with portuguese plates there and he doesn't come to portugal to get it MOT'd, he does it there with no problems...
Dunno though if he can do it because he also has residence there or not...

Azrael

Maybe you could have it MOTed here

Speedy G.

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Yes please do m8.
Antwerp is about 40km away from my door so pretty damn close.

Speedy G.

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Biggest problem is another Belgium law.

We are NOT allowed to drive cars with foreign license plates for more then a defined period (think 24hours) UNLESS it's for work.

Belgium SUCKS big time.

Azrael

And if the car was co-owned abroad? Let's say I woned 55% of it and was registered here?

Speedy G.

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Don't know about that then m8.
Didn't even know that such a thing was possible.

Azrael

Check this out then

I can't see how co-ownership can be banned in civilised country.

Speedy G.

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Jakub,

We'll talk further about this at the NBR m8.
I'm going to be there --> I hope with the Cossie but I'm defo going to be there.

Have absolutely not the faintest idea on how to check this.

Azrael

The same about me, but with bad luck I might be even in Fiat Seicento :-(



1. car forums - belgian ones
2. lawyer
3. some other performance car owner clubs
4. maybe just go to adequate goverment agency and ask?





By the way - Belgium is not Swizerland - I don't belive there are not corrupted MOTers there - ask at some performance cars shop or some rally service - they must MOT WRC cars somehow...

Speedy G.

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I'm going to be in my chipped Mondeo TDCi if I can't make it with the Esc Cos.


1. They have no idea.
2. Way too expensive --> I am going this route though with my insurance and I'm hoping that they pay for it
3. Nopez, non have any idea on how to do this
4. Government in Belgium --> GOOD luck to find the right one

There might be WRC cars in Belgium but laws for them are different.
MOT every 6 months, NOT allowed on public roads except between stages, etc....

Not doable m8.

Azrael

I wan't a ride, we beat Sabine

Ad.1 you tried all of them? Nobody has modded cars in Belgium???
Ad.2 nobody you know has friendly lawyer who would just tell you what the rules on that are?
Ad.3 same as Ad.1
Ad.4 well it must be better then eastern european countries, or maybe Eu is ebven worse then I think (and I think badly about it)


So every rallycar has special registration and cannot drive on public road unless on event?

Any historic car registrations in Belgium? (Here they can have special plates and get MOTed onlyonce in their lives but goverment has right to monitor any technical changes to such car and theoretically you needpermit to change spark plugs practically you do as yo wish, only problematic to drive it abroad - you need permit)

Speedy G.

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1. Modded cars over here means spoilers and ad-on things. None are seriously into modifying cars like us.
2. None m8 unfortenatly
3. see answer 1
4. EU is worse then you think m8, WAY worse.

Indeed, what you say about a rallycar is true.

Those historic cars have to be 25 years of age minimum. Not doable for the Cossie for the next 11 years.

Azrael

Well I live in EU you know... and I'm shit scared.

So not doable this way. Then I only see it as registering it aroad somehow or bribing/becoming friends with MOT guys. There must be friendly ones. Any non standard Cossies in Belgium?

The same here - I hope it might be different. But here it could be younger if e.g. owned previously by famous person. Sell your car to some prince or someone and buy it back

Stuart.W

I'll pm you the details when Wouter gets back to me with them.

He said that he put the standard exhaust back on his STi to be sure it passed but the guy didn't even check the emissions so hopefully he'll do the same with yours!

Speedy G.

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Stuart, that's my main issue m8.
I'm NOT putting a standard exhaust on at all !!!

Highly doubt aswell that they will let me pass.

Biggest problem now also is that I need to go to the same MOT station which has failed me. Part of the law aswell.

Only 3 weeks to Easter and the NBR and I'm NOTHING closer to a solution then I was 4 weeks ago.

Azrael

Speedy G. sport-cat exhaust rally-car style? They must pass emissions!

cossiemen

All we can do at the mo is dream about it Azrael.

Belgian MOT laws became totaly insane.
Just like i've been saying before; we need certificates for everything we changed upon our car..
If it's an aftermarket goodie you'll need certificates;
lowering kits, exhausts, mirrors, tinted windows, etc. etc.

Azrael

cossiemen well maybe he could convince them if it passed emition nice. I'm just trying to help....


World hates motorists more and more :-(

cossiemen

dude, I know your trying to help but i'm sure it won't help.

Wanne know something? An emission test is part of the Belgian MOT, even an dB test but...

if you don't have certificates with the exhaust it's never gonna pass the MOT


Belgium sucks bigtime!!

Azrael

You guys better move over here

ON-UJAH

1. Your exhaust will never get over MOT, due to emissions and lack of paperwork.

2. You refuse to change your exhaust.

3. You have to go back to the MOT station which is 'unfriendly' - no way to talk them into giving the pass.

Of these 3 issues, you have control over only one - No.2

Is there a reason why you don't want to change your exhaust? It's something that can be done in 20 minutes.

cossiemen

Yes there are a few reasons, I do have the same problem with my exhaust.

First reason why I don't wanne change it is that there's nothing wrong with my Scorpion exhaust.
Emission and dB are perfect so why replace it?

Second reason; we all become paperwork now for mods done onto our cars. If i replace my exhaust with a standard one they'll write on the papers that I do have an original/non modified exhaust.
We can't change the exhaust afterwards cause that can give lot's of trouble with the coppers etc.

Third reason; why pay again for a bloody exhaust. I allready paid twice
for an exhaust so i refuse to pay a third time.

Like I said before: Belgian MOT is CRAP!

Speedy G.

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It does pass emissions with the Mongoose exhaust on it. That's the weird thing about our stupid Belgian law.

Azrael

Speedy G. here if I have "KAT" on car's registration documents law says that it doesn't matter if it passes them or not, it has to have cat on it. Luckly MOT people are currupted.

Speedy G.

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Jakub, European law states that you only have to have a cat if the car was registered after 1993 or something like that.
Simple as that and European law is still above ANY local law.

Biggest issue I have is that my car has been approved for over 5 years now in the state where she's currently in, ie with my Mongoose exhaust !!!

Speedy G.

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My main reason for not wanting to change the exhaust is as Cossiemen said it --> if you now put a standard exhaust on for MOT, then you have to have that exhaust on ALL the time. If police will stop you and you do not have THAT exhaust on, you're fucked.

My car has passed it's MOT for over 5 years now with the Mongoose exhaust. How can something be good enough for over 5 years and suddenly be bad????

My lawyer and insurance company are on the case and we will win this. Even if it's takes some (read ALOT) time.

Azrael

Well I cannot tell anything sensible.... Here I just bribe them with every car and never really go there, unless I need to check brakes or set-up headlights. In Belgium it seams viscious circle, no way out of it :-(

Speedy G.

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You can not just not go to the MOT as you'll loose your insurance if you ever crash or cause a crash or something like that.
Not want to risk that.

Luckily I do not need the Cossie for day to day driving as that would be hell. I do however need it for our trip to the NBR.

Azrael

Speedy G. I hope you find a way out. I would go mad if I had good car sitting in the garage.

Speedy G.

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That makes 2 of us m8.
Eventually, we will get there but WHEN is the biggest question at hand at the moment.

Speedy G.

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We will try it again next Wednesday, April 5th.

En let's just hope that we get a green card or a red one but at least with limited approval. Minimum that they then give is 15 days or 3 months which are both enough to get me to the NBR with Easter.

Oh and for the moment, I haven't changed ANYTHING and I also do not have any more papers then I had 4 weeks ago.

Let's all pray together. I think that I'll need it.

PauloV8

You better believe it m8, you guys have it easy over there.

A couple of months ago the police made a mega-operation closing down one of the main Lisbon arteries on a saturday night. It lasted for more than 5 hours and afected thousands of people who had nothing to do with cars and had the misfortune of passing there at that hour. The police issued hundreds of tickets and about 50 modified cars were aprehended by the authorities to be mot'd. Of course none of the cars passed and were given 30 days to put back to original state (and I mean 100% original).

Not happy with it the authorities did it again last night. It resulted again in a few hundred tickets and another 53 cars aprehended.
That's the way we are having it here...

Speedy G.

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Tomorrow is D-day again.

Gonna try again without having made ANY changes.

I'll keep you guys posted.

PauloV8

Good luck m8...

Fiesta Ben

That sucks big style

I can see that happening in the uk very soon, the world has gone mad with all these rules, soon you wont be able to go for a dump without having permission!

good luck with the mot speedy

PauloV8

Tell me about m8...

Speedy G.

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Right guyz,yet again, been to the MOT today and I got back home with a limited approval, limited to 05-07-2006.

They've removed everything from my paper except the exhaust and the sterring wheel.

The wheel has to have a minimum diameter of 35cm while my wheel is only 30cm. I tried to persuade him telling him it was for my long legs and so and I even got into the car and he understood it all but the law was the law.

Exhaust has to be E-approved and with a cat because it was imported in 2001 with a cat. It says on the papers that were written then when importing it. I've also told him that there are NO exhaust available for the Esc Cos with E-approval.

The headguy there was more then helpfull and he has even given me details of the guy that might be able to help me with my troubles.

Now I can finally say that I will be at the Ring with my Esc Cos.