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09-02-2006, 10:09 AM
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why?
its a bit like buying a Hugo Boss cashmere coat
then replacing the label with GEORGE by Asda..
then removing the cashmere and making it 100% polyester!
its a bit like buying a Hugo Boss cashmere coat
then replacing the label with GEORGE by Asda..
then removing the cashmere and making it 100% polyester!
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09-02-2006, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveEscos
why?
its a bit like buying a Hugo Boss cashmere coat
then replacing the label with GEORGE by Asda..
then removing the cashmere and making it 100% polyester!
its a bit like buying a Hugo Boss cashmere coat
then replacing the label with GEORGE by Asda..
then removing the cashmere and making it 100% polyester!
09-02-2006, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sygjim
Originally Posted by DaveEscos
why?
its a bit like buying a Hugo Boss cashmere coat
then replacing the label with GEORGE by Asda..
then removing the cashmere and making it 100% polyester!
its a bit like buying a Hugo Boss cashmere coat
then replacing the label with GEORGE by Asda..
then removing the cashmere and making it 100% polyester!
09-02-2006, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
Dave you cheese dick a Megasqirt ECU is much better than a L6 or L8 and its home mappable.
Pull your head out your arse and do some research.
Pull your head out your arse and do some research.
Just listen to the name, goddamit man!
megasquirt!??
im basing my prognosis on
a) only the gypos on this site refer to it
b) only XR owners seem to blap on about it all the time (connection anyone? )
c) Isnt it a home build kit with parts from Maplins! ?
lordy lordy... what are people thinking of, using OE weber management
09-02-2006, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
aye Dave, but I see its +++'s over name and stigma do you ?
Can you plug you laptop directly into OE as you call ECU?
Can you plug you laptop directly into OE as you call ECU?
im just in one of those moods this morning!
09-02-2006, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl
You have to be joking right?
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09-02-2006, 01:25 PM
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I agree the the weber kit probably has a better transient fuelling setup than MS.
Having mapped some cars (and a bike) with MS that have had huge VE changes across their rev range i have found that with the accel fueling features of MS it is a strugle to get the transient fueling totally correct across the range and some comprimises have to be made.
However, you can't beat the sheer flexability of having an ECU that you can re-map your self to incorporate furture upgrades, and performance / value wise MS makes alot of sense.
Having mapped some cars (and a bike) with MS that have had huge VE changes across their rev range i have found that with the accel fueling features of MS it is a strugle to get the transient fueling totally correct across the range and some comprimises have to be made.
However, you can't beat the sheer flexability of having an ECU that you can re-map your self to incorporate furture upgrades, and performance / value wise MS makes alot of sense.
09-02-2006, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by J871yhk
Originally Posted by Karl
You have to be joking right?
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oh well Karl
09-02-2006, 02:04 PM
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Garage I know what your saying, but with the system being like say Unix with all these people working on features for it. it can only get better I love the whole concept of it.
I must admit the name in fooking Daves words"ITS PONY" is correct
I must admit the name in fooking Daves words"ITS PONY" is correct
09-02-2006, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Garage19
Having mapped some cars (and a bike) with MS that have had huge VE changes across their rev range i have found that with the accel fueling features of MS it is a strugle to get the transient fueling totally correct across the range and some comprimises have to be made.
09-02-2006, 06:58 PM
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Mike has answered for me 
, and in addition to that the cossie mgmt works perfectly in areas such as cold start up, ISCV control and boost control. This is the area that usually lets down aftermarket systems. (Especially transient fueling)
I also notice that those who say the mappability is the best point are forgetting that WE TUNERS can allready map both!!
What you really mean to say is you think "megaorgasm" is good because you can blow your engine up yourself or kangeroo through your gear changes on boost without having to pay a tuner to map it properly on the VERY capable weber mgmt!!
, and in addition to that the cossie mgmt works perfectly in areas such as cold start up, ISCV control and boost control. This is the area that usually lets down aftermarket systems. (Especially transient fueling)I also notice that those who say the mappability is the best point are forgetting that WE TUNERS can allready map both!!
What you really mean to say is you think "megaorgasm" is good because you can blow your engine up yourself or kangeroo through your gear changes on boost without having to pay a tuner to map it properly on the VERY capable weber mgmt!!
09-02-2006, 07:07 PM
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lol Karl Very correct, but let me blow up my engine which I will. Cars are my hobbie and learning every thing from it is part of the fun including blowing the fooking thing to bits.
I cannot put money in loads of eprom emulators and the shit, just to map my own car.
But what will realy happin is I will blow about 5 engines up then come a knock at your door
I cannot put money in loads of eprom emulators and the shit, just to map my own car.
But what will realy happin is I will blow about 5 engines up then come a knock at your door
09-02-2006, 07:16 PM
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Johnny,
Indeed for the majority of users on this forum cars are their hobby and I appreciate that most like to do work themselves.
HOWEVER when it comes to mapping I really would not advise people do it themselves. It takes years of experience and mapping many many cars to get it right, and for the relatively small cost of having your car mapped by a pro it really is daft for the majority of folk to do it themselves.
Indeed for the majority of users on this forum cars are their hobby and I appreciate that most like to do work themselves.
HOWEVER when it comes to mapping I really would not advise people do it themselves. It takes years of experience and mapping many many cars to get it right, and for the relatively small cost of having your car mapped by a pro it really is daft for the majority of folk to do it themselves.
09-02-2006, 07:52 PM
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are the transient fuel issues not just a software issue?
a thread in the tech essays archive talks about this issue a bit karl, and i'd appreciate it if you could spend the time to read it and comment
https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18981
i mean, surely with the right kind of programming, why can megasquirt not exactly replicate the response of a L8?
i can understand that a choice of ecu could come down to the components used and how good the a/d conversion is (not great on a L8 is it?), how reliable the main boards are, how susceptible to interference, etc
a thread in the tech essays archive talks about this issue a bit karl, and i'd appreciate it if you could spend the time to read it and comment
https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18981
i mean, surely with the right kind of programming, why can megasquirt not exactly replicate the response of a L8?
i can understand that a choice of ecu could come down to the components used and how good the a/d conversion is (not great on a L8 is it?), how reliable the main boards are, how susceptible to interference, etc
09-02-2006, 08:27 PM
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"transient" means when something is changing - in this context, i think that we are talking about what happens when you qucikly change the throttle opening and the MAP pressure does not change as quickly (due to inlet volume and possibly filtering of the MAP signal, by which i mean smoothing of the pressure spikes that you would see from a fast responding MAP pressure measurement)
09-02-2006, 08:32 PM
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MS allows you to map on both tps and map... which might help here...
And no I'm not saying is beter or worse than other ECUs... its just another option for people that wish to DIY.
Alex
And no I'm not saying is beter or worse than other ECUs... its just another option for people that wish to DIY.
Alex
09-02-2006, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JesseT
Originally Posted by Garage19
Having mapped some cars (and a bike) with MS that have had huge VE changes across their rev range i have found that with the accel fueling features of MS it is a strugle to get the transient fueling totally correct across the range and some comprimises have to be made.
09-02-2006, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
"transient" means when something is changing - in this context, i think that we are talking about what happens when you qucikly change the throttle opening and the MAP pressure does not change as quickly (due to inlet volume and possibly filtering of the MAP signal, by which i mean smoothing of the pressure spikes that you would see from a fast responding MAP pressure measurement)
09-02-2006, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by foreigneRS
are the transient fuel issues not just a software issue?
a thread in the tech essays archive talks about this issue a bit karl, and i'd appreciate it if you could spend the time to read it and comment
https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18981
i mean, surely with the right kind of programming, why can megasquirt not exactly replicate the response of a L8?
i can understand that a choice of ecu could come down to the components used and how good the a/d conversion is (not great on a L8 is it?), how reliable the main boards are, how susceptible to interference, etc
a thread in the tech essays archive talks about this issue a bit karl, and i'd appreciate it if you could spend the time to read it and comment
https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18981
i mean, surely with the right kind of programming, why can megasquirt not exactly replicate the response of a L8?
i can understand that a choice of ecu could come down to the components used and how good the a/d conversion is (not great on a L8 is it?), how reliable the main boards are, how susceptible to interference, etc
