cool head

Hi.
I was just wondering. Can this conversion be done. My main interest is the bodywork. The fact of the matter is that I'm from Denmark and as you all well know, the FRP's were'nt introduced in my country. And the fact that a FRP's steeringwheel is located in the right side as opposed to cars in Denmark makes it an unattractive import. It's just that, in my opinion, it's the way a puma should have looked from market entry in 97 (i think )
So, I'm aware that parts are sorta high priced, but also out of curiosity, can it be done?

I imagine that the arches and bumpers are pretty much the same mounting wise as any other car. But how about the wheels? you have to get them moved "out" to fit the wider body. Also whats this i hear about having to own a FRP to buy body parts? is this a joke? I mean come on, these cars are on their way to the extinction because of beeing overprized, might aswell make a buck letting owners of std pumas finishing the look of their cars.

Regards LD

FasterFords

Pumaspeed sell a kit

http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/showdetails.php?id=270

It's Czech Mate

Cheaper to buy a real one

Mr S1

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Exactly what I thought before I even opened this thread !

FasterFords

read the post, he doesn't want a right hand drive

It's Czech Mate

Still cheaper to buy a real one and convert to lhd

cool head

thanks a mill. .. wow quick answer .. was no expecting that
about it being cheaper to buy one. Well look at it from my side. I live in Denmark that means:
Find one and buy it = expensive
Import it to Denmark = expensive
Pay taxes to get it on the roads legally = + about 180% of cars bying price =

While my std. puma has rusty rear wheel arches and needs painting done.. I'm pretty sure the kit will end up being the cheapest way for me.. soo i give you all major kudos. Man, this just made my day

FasterFords

I can't see that being true, it would be a load of work and its not that easy finding a good one anyway

Could always search around to see if any of the LHD ones are still around

cool head

To the best of my knowledge there has only been one export to a country near Denmark. Some guy in germany got one, but to track the car now would be virtually impossible. + theres still the taxes that Denmark lay on cars. Heres an example.
2 years ago i bought a Toyota celica T18 2.0 GT imported from switzerland for 17.000 Dkk. It ended up costing me 17.000 + 35.000 Dkk in taxes to get a 18 year old car road going. (thats about 6582Ł) I'm not sure but I think Denmark is one of the countries with the most expensive taxes on cars (Not sure about this, but we're definitely up there)

Psycho Warren

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For sure!!!
For a start you need body work all round, struts, wishbones, driveshafts, steering arms, rear spacers, brakes all round, right offset wheels, interior, fitting bodywork, respray, cams, exhaust system, remap.

its much easier to find a good condition FRP than a good condition standard puma...... Yes they may be driven hard but usually no more so than standard pumas and apart from the alcon brakes, they are no more complicated to service than standard pumas.

It's Czech Mate

I can, and it is! Definitely. I'll bet its cheaper than even just sourcing all the parts needed to make a normal puma an FRP, let alone starting any of the work

FasterFords

he doesnt want all the parts, READ THE POST, and did you see how costly it would be to import

So it definitely isn't cheaper

Psycho Warren

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body kit costs Ł1k
bodywork fitting Ł1k
respray minimum Ł1k more like Ł2k for a decent job
rear spacers Ł100
steering arms Ł250
steering rack limiters Ł50
front hub carriers Ł250
front wishbones Ł200
FRP specific dampers/springs Ł300 (new set would total Ł1042)
driveshafts Ł250

total= Ł4400

Thats assuming you get free delivery and fit all parts yourself, except professional fitting and cheap respray of body kit.

So easily Ł5k if you get decent respray.

If he doesnt want to pay import taxes then the far cheaper option is to buy an FRP over here and bring it to denmark then strip parts from it (or do a shell swap and dont get caught ).

TimC

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I agree to an extent it would be cheaper buying an FRP and stripping it to put everything on your own car bar the rear quarters.

Plus if you want genuine Ford panels take a look on Pumabuild at there prices and you will nearly faint! Not cheap at all.

Psycho Warren

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the pumabuild parts arent much different than from ford. Its why a very light rear ender or similar writes them off.

It's Czech Mate

I'm only on about body parts and the front subframe/rear beam/longer driveshafts

It would definitley be more expensive. You know nothing about them obviously. A rear bumper is about Ł850 secondhand if you can find one!

Twellsie

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Magnum Motorsport http://www.magnummotorsport.co.uk/fordpuma.html do the S1600 kit, which is even wider than the Racing

It's Czech Mate

Now THATS ideal for the OP. Great find

FasterFords

I know they are expensive, I needed one for mine, but I havent said about Ford parts, my link at the top was for a replica bodykit, which is what he was on about.

It's Czech Mate

Well seeing as you're so fond of telling us to read his posts maybe you should look yourself

He never mentions replica parts and mentions expensive (genuine) parts and the word 'conversion'

As I said, correctly and have been backed up by others that know about these cars...it would be cheaper to buy a real one.

cool head

Actually.. just looked up some FRP's for sale. as far as I can tell, they go for around 4000Ł and up.

A FRP on the road in Denmark: 4000Ł + taxes ( about 7500Ł) + transport (around 632Ł) + the conversion to LHD ?
-comes to a total of 12132Ł. + the conversion to LHD.

A FRP to rip for parts: 4000Ł + transport (632Ł) + bodywork fitting (1000Ł) + respray (because you dont get a std. puma in racing blue - 1000Ł) + danish puma 5063Ł
- comes to a total of 11695Ł + you have destroyed a FRP

A replica kit: FRP (1000Ł) or s1600 (not sure. 713) + bodywork fitting 1000Ł + respray 1000Ł + rear spacers 100Ł + steering arms 250Ł + steering rack limiters 50Ł + front hub carriers Ł250 + front wishbones Ł200 + FRP specific dampers/springs Ł300 (new set would total Ł1042) + driveshafts Ł250 + delivery 150Ł? + danish puma 5063Ł
- comes to a total of 9613Ł.

just a quick simpel setup.

To be clear. This is all i need to make the wheels sit in the right places, right?

rear spacers
steering arms
steering rack limiters
front hub carriers
front wishbones
driveshafts

what I'm after is a car that looks like a racing puma. Not nesseceraly an exact copy.
also wondering. is the s1600 actually wider than a racing puma? looks kinda the same to me. Also the prices on their webpage, http://www.magnummotorsport.co.uk/fordpuma.html
can anyone make out what a kit consisting of bumpers, arches rear quarters and lamp mounts would add up to? they have a kit price of 713Ł. And then under that, they have the prices of the different parts, but adding the prices of parts together doesnt equal 713Ł?

It's Czech Mate

I think a decent paint job is more than Ł1000 buddy.

Your list looks pretty spot on to me and AFAIK the ss1600 is the same size, it's just fibreglass

Twellsie

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Puma S1600 width 1802mm

Racing Puma width 1770mm

Psycho Warren

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Youd have to buy custom offset alloys if you want to fit S1600 bodywork and use FRP suspension componants.

You NEED to add to your list the FRP specific dampers because the hub carriers hole for the damper is different to a standard puma so only FRP dampers will work.

dont you already have a standard puma to work on?

Psycho Warren

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if your lucky you may be able to get some of the FRP parts cheaper on egay if you can find a mug stripping a car who doesnt know what its worth.

jammerrs

if its not got to be an exact copy then... big spacers and dont bother with the suspension and a ss1600/replica kit.

(i like to save my pennies and always think of a cheap way to do things haha )

Psycho Warren

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until you realise it doesnt handle at all, not to mention knackers your wheel bearings every 500 miles

jammerrs

ow.. ok

didnt realise spacers put that much strain on them!?

in the short term it is then

Cossy Mike

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Buy one it's always going to be a rep.....

jo.paul267

i am looking for a racing puma front bumper colour not important or slight damage any ideas appreaciated new to the scene

Bentleya

You can have one of my spares for Ł3000. Best off buying the kit from Pumaspeed.

StevenOwen

That Magnum Motorsport kit looks the dogs danglies!