Richardmwln

Hello all,

I was wondering from anybody's experience what sort of BHP i will be running out of my Escort with Cossy management.

I have yet to have her in for a power run But was wondering if anybody had a rough idea off the top of their head.

SET UP :
1. Cosworth P8 ECU with Pectel Board Running ALS ( ANTI LAG )
2. EFi Conversion
3. Wassner Forged Rods and Low Compression Pistons
4. Garret T3 Hybrid Turbo with 360 Degree Thrust Barring, Internal Wastegate
5. Skimmed head, ported and polished
6. Cossy Bottom End
7. Coil Pack
8. 27 PSI Boost Pressure ( holds on the button )
9. Green ( 806 ) Cossy Injectors
10. Cosworth Throttle Body
11. Group A Induction Kit
12. WRC Air Injection
13. Magnecor HT Leads
14. Full Stainless 3 to 5 " Rolled out Exhaust System, DE CAT, STRAIGHT PIPE
15. Billet Crank
16. Kent Cam
17. Uprated Valves and Billet Springs.
18. Cosworth Competition Fuel Pump
19. Cosworth WRC Competition Fuel Pump Regulator ( Rising Rate FPR )
20. Cosworth Fuel Rail
21. High pressure Braided Hoses All Round.
22. ProAlloy Radiator
23. GRS Motorsport Intercooler

I'm Hoping For Close To 300 BHP, Would That Be About Right In You're Opinion with this Specification ?

Cheers

Rob_DOHC

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Impossible to say, you will have to be more specific mate.

Is it 1600? -
Its not got a cossy bottom end i guess
What spec kent cam
What spec Turbo
Who ported the head
What inlet manifold

You can make 250 bhp on one turbo at 27psi, or 350 on another.

Rob,

Karlos G

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As above, turbo spec and CC are needed for any sort of accurate guess.

jessie_rs

27psi on greens i was near maxing my greens with just 20psi

Rob_DOHC

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Good point, if your turbo's properly chosen your injectors will be your limit.

crazycage

300hp isnt all that hard to get from a cvh ,but having driven one loads of times and driven a few 300hp zetec's i would never build one.

but as above you will need bigger injectors we run greys at that power.
p-s billet springs wont work!
and i dont no how you have managed to mate a cossie bottom end to a cvh head?

andy130

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lol the spec seams funny to me

Richardmwln

When the car was set up i maxed out my Blue injectors at 255, and the engine was screeming for more so i upgraded to Green injectors, my mechanic who built the engine to Group A Standard stated it had a cossy bottom end and can take the maximum amount of pressure.

The garret turbo is a T3, Stage 3 Hybrid with 360 degree thrust barring and internal wastegate was engineerd for the engine by " turbotechnics " after the engine spec was given over.

And yes the engine is a 1.6 CVH but its bullet proof and a 1 off, very very strong.

the Inlet manifold is From a fiesta RS Turbo but has a cossy fuel rail and cossy throttle body adapted to it.

PS i thought greens were good for up to 300 HP +

the Kent cam that is in it im not too sure of but can assure you its probably top end like the rest of the engine, the head was ported by a specialist motorsport cumpony who specialise in it, ill have to ask my mechanic which one.

Thanks for your input gents

Roscopeco

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Maybe it has cosworth pistons with wossner rods ??

studabear

Who's mapped it?

J1mbo

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You had dark blue injectors and 255bhp cvh turbo? I don't think so!

They do 270on a cossie and is much much more efficient.

My 303bhp cvh turbo which was massively efficient compared to a normal cvh had 440cc injectors flat out! Thats near a grey.

With greens I'd say 270ish tops on a very good cvh

BRAM

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I hope you have got decent steel rods in with 27psi.
My brother was running about that with shot peened conrods and they lasted 2 days ha ha
He was also running greens and a cosworth t3 and jano estimated it at around 260-270 bhp

Richardmwln

Nice so at least im looking close to 300BHP then.

and the blue injectors i did have " TRUST ME " were maxed out at 255, not 255 BHP but i think it was the cc's, the engine was crying for more fuel the blues could not handle it for shit, soon as the boost came in the blue injectors just couldnt handle the extra needed.

and yes i do have wassner pistons and forged rods inside the engine evrything inside is top shelf no expence spared at all on it.

The ecu was live mapped at FMS Field motorsport, competition engine technitions in essex.

trust it goes like a rocket but i need my fuel regulater set up, its one they use in the WRC neither myself or my mechanic has ever seen one like it before lol, its a rising rate fpr and it cost Ł366.00 ( competition wrc frp )
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At least ill be looking close to 300 BHP by the sound of your comments.
I found out that the turbo i have is good for 27 PSI so its good news, before i had it mapped the car was boosting at 35 PSI, bloody stupid and dangerouse boost lol, i wasnt able to put my foot down for months lol but now its mapped the guy said this engine will easily take high boost, which just clarified what my mechanic said lol was well happy when he got out the car after running it and said 25 PSI on the button, holds steady and firm.......NICE, i suppose its up to this power run next to see the true read out.....thanks for your comments guys, like i said ill be happy with 270 280 BHP but will keep my fingers crossed for the big 300

Cheers
Rich

Rogeyboy

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Well the good news is Tommy @ FieldMS is a tuning legend and so the car should be fairly well mapped/set-up. What comp and exhaust housings have you got on the turbo, .36 or .48 etc? I'd be turning the boost down a little to around 23/24psi, 27 is alot imo, but if its setup to that then im sure its ok.
My advice would be to get it RR'd and then take it for a checkup/tune up every 4-5,000miles as u'll be running on the limit of safety for the engine as a whole i would think...?

Just a passing comment - I wouldn't have thought the decat would gain you much bhp as turbo'd cvh's didn't run cat's...

Good luck and let us know what power it makes if you have it rolling roaded.

Richardmwln

Will do fella, i may be looking at after christmas to get the car back to tommy field to correctly set up this FPR....once hes done it i will RR it, trust me ill let you know what it is as soon as its done, only Ł40 to RR it in sittingbourne, really want to know what BHP its pushing out.

Rich

RUBY123

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should post a engine bay pic up so we can determine for you what you actually have as some of the spec lit is contradictory

Richardmwln

How so.


can sort pics out no problem

RUBY123

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nothing major just stuff like one and two on your list are the same thing three and six are contradictory as it wont be a cozzy bottom end it will be a cvh with decent pistons and rods and the fuel rail will more than likely be the fiesta efi one that came with the inlet. not stuff that really matters but a pic would give people a better understanding of what you have to then determine what sort of power you can expect

J1mbo

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Don't expect 300. Like I said your injectors are way too small!

rsmark86

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Rs turbo stage3 t3 will be maxed out at 270bhp and with the greens it is possible to get more power than normal if you raise the fuel pressure, which he says he has done

But the turbo will be maxed out and Jessie you have t34 and he's still on t3 so is possible to get that boost

Also I've had greens on a cosworth with a nms gunship mapp doing 2bar peek but dropping off the stop from going lean

rsmark86

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I would think it's not much more than 250/260bhp?

muz

As said, Greens will max out way before 300 BHP. Jano was running them at about 260BHP with 22PSI and they were maxed out. You'll need Greys or Siemens.

muz

I'm running a 2.1 ZVH and I'm hoping for 280 from my greens, but will probably opt for Greys even before it sees the road.

J1mbo

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Mark, my engine made 303bhp on a t3...

With the right work you can do it.

Nick waples and my old man on side it was going to be pretty good though lol

RS Grant

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For all they cost, I'd throw a set of Siemens blacks into the mixer... I'd also make sure of exact turbo spec so that people will have a better idea about what you can/can't make on a 1600cc engine.


Cheers,
Grant

xr2wishy

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lots of contradicting info from my perspective, cossy bottom end, but they didn't do a 1600 one, so must be a cvh 1600cc bottom end, as for wossner rods and pistons, wossner only make pistons not rods, so could be PEC rods which are good enough (crower rods and cosworth pistons for cvh would be no expense spared ones IMO).
injectors will not make 300bhp on a 1600cvh, BSFC is way to high compared to a cossie engine, i had a zvh running 23psi and had to bump up to 60lB siemens deka's to get enough fuel down it's throat.
cossie t3 stage 3 would be lucky to get to 300bhp, around 270bhp would be reasonable to reach though, does depend on exhaust housing and efficiency of the rest of the breathing in the engine though so possible.
so i reckon on around 260-270bhp, unless you raise the base fuel pressure.

Canada1

I had no idea Cosworth made a fuel rail for a cvh/zvh engine? What inlet manifold?
Billet valve springs?
27 psi on a T3 - possible, but so far out of its efficiency zone - just making heat not power.
22 psi is the maximum I would run on any T3. Take a look at the compressor maps.
There are far better turbos suitable for high boost levels.

Richardmwln

im going to try and get pics up of the engine bay over the weekend so you guys can see what i'm saying, the one off bottom end im mentioning is the bottom pully Wheel, ive got literally 2-3mm clearance from the inner arch lol, its a very tight fit,

Ill try and get some pics soon

Cheers everyone Rich

dug112y

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did no one else notice the 35psi he used to run on a t3?? too many things dont add up or you are very miss informed by your tuner. what are you on about with' cosworth flywheel' and 2-3 mm clearance on inner arch? wossner do make rods but not for cvh's. a DECAT on an rs turbo?? thats a new one.

This has gotta be a wind up..........is that you MO?

Richardmwln

Lol tell ya what fella come and have a look ya self, the car was doing 35 PSI boost this is not a joke....try calling tommy field at FMS and ask him what it was boosting at,ill give you the reg and the colour of the car so he remembers he tuned down to 25 psi and got it on the button, it was boosting at 35 BEFORE THE REMAP !!,the P8 ECU im using came from a different car so when it was adapted to my engine the 35 PSI was there !
FYI The t3 i have is not just a T3 it is a " STAGE 3 T3 WITH 360 THRUST BEARING " It is the stage below the Stage four which is capable of 280 350 odd BHP the Turbo i have is engineerd to take 27 PSI no problem and is rated at 240 - 280+ BHP, trust me these turbos arent ebay shit piece turbo chargers these are from turbotechnics. look on the website and get the facts right mate.....i dont like being called a liar, the bottom end IS A ONE OFF just more determined to get the pics on here now.

The shell i have is an XR3i shell not an RS turbo shell so the exhaust i had was cat......the Mongoose one i have now is 3 - 5 " straight pipe, the origional engine was MFI 1.6, while that shit engine was in the car i was getting my GROUP A CVH built from SCRATCH i might add, all BRAND NEW PARTS IN AND OUT, professionally engineered to the highest standard possible.

so the mods and changes stated in my first post are correct i think you will find....OH and also " IT IS NOT AN RS TURBO, what Escort RS Turbo's do you know with an EFi Manifold with cosworth throttle body and fuel rail ? answer is none, this is simply an RS not an RS Turbo. Completley and utterly customised engine, nothing origional to it atall my friend, i will take a picture of the clearance inside the engine bay to the drivers side inner arch and you will see a ONE OFF BOTTOM END !!

Cheers mate
Rich

Bare with me for Photo's and maybe a surprise !

By the way

Trust me fella i am not lying, what would be the point in that ? this is not a wind up.

Richardmwln

http://wossneronline.com/forged_pist...products_id=90 these are very similar to the pistons i have ....... and these are the rods i am using which are from " WASSNER " .... Model: Ford Escort RS Turbo 1.6ltr 8v - 16v CVH
Kit Part No. K9216DA, K9216D050, K9216D100
Engine type CVH
Bore Size 80mm, 80.5mm, 81mm.
Stroke 79.52mm
Displacement 1598cc
Wossner Comp Ratio 8.3:1
O.E Comp Ratio 8.3:1
Rod Length 132mm!!!

PEC H-beam rods have earned reputation for being a cost effective solution in preventing engine failure normally caused by over-stressed OEM conronds when used in competition. Pistons are generally at the fore front of anyone's mind when specifying a new engine build but the connecting rod should not be over looked.

Connecting rods have to bear the brunt of the transmission of inertia and combustion loads to the crank shaft, When asked to perform at higher levels, the increased loads can lead to catastrophic failures.

PEC H-beam Rods are forged from AISI 4340 (En24) steel, heat treated, stress relieved after machining and fully shot-peened for higher fatigue strength. Small end bronze bushed for a fully, floating pin and the big end is fitted with high quality ARP 2000 fasteners

" Wassner dont do Rods for CVH " hahahaha

And these are from PEC www.performanceengineeringcomponants.com
http://www.performanceenginecomponen....asp?id=250885

Under wassner then Cosworth

Part No. G0046
Engine Type All 1600 CVH engines Inc RS Turbo
Length C/C 132mm
Small end Dia 20.63mm
Big end Dia 50.9mm
Bolts supplied? ARP2000 5/16" Thread

Richardmwln

Correct on the fuel rail my friend, it is in fact a Fiesta fuel rail, my mistake

RUBY123

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So its got pec rods then

dug112y

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35 psi on a stage 3 t3 on that engine is bollocks mate!! ANTI LAG.....really? vid please
the p8 you are you are using came from a different car....NO SHIT!! and the 35psi was there?? where was it exactly......

WHat makes the bottom end a one off?

Did David Copperfield build and tuuuuune this car?

neither xr3i or rs turbo had a cat mate...unless it is a mk 5...which is then contradicted by you saying it was originally an MFI engine.
I know a few rs turbos with efi manifold running cossie management(to be honest its been done for years).

WASSNER?? Where are you getting this from? WOSSNER make the pistons you claim you have.
PEC make the rods(not wossner).......although the link you posted says 1.6 16v zetec s conrods(not a cvh).......but it does say cvh in the description(mistake on website perhaps).

i see your copy and paste skills are coming on a treat mate.

i am looking forward to the pictures to be honest...i'd like one of your boost gauge aswell if possible..in the car not off a website.

happy christmas

Doug


p.s i thinks its time you get your facts right instead of chattin shit

Rob_DOHC

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Guys chill its not that important either way.

Matt carter

RS Grant

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Who really gives a flying fuck? I don't.


Cheers,
Grant

dug112y

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me either really but i'm bored as fuck and need a little entertainment.

luke19790_3

is this mo?

studabear

There you go, a efi inlet with a cosworth throttle body