RSMK4TURBO

As above really,had my car set up on its mfi last week and the rolling road operater said i need a stand alone management system to run boost safely,I was looking into Gotech or cosworth management but he said he could supply Omex 600 all fitted for what i thought was a good price.Anyone use this system?cheers.

clarke5700

a few of my mates run it very good ecu imo

Neil@FastFord

Price?
It'll work as well as anything else you've mentioned if mapped right.

Nowt wrong with Omex, been out in loads of cars with it and have it on my Mk1.

clarke5700

i got my wheels btw neal spot on got they are light lol

RSMK4TURBO

Looking at £1600 fitted.Think i will go with it as i have had prices for the other management systems and this is slightly cheaper and tuner is only 10 mins away.

clarke5700

i hope thats mapped as well

rsmark86

iTrader: (3)

where did you get it set up mate and what spec is the car and what power did it make...

theres a few tuners that just want to take your money off you so unless you are well over 200bhp then the mfi is fine and you dont need to spend 1600 on a management as you can do it cheaper... but if you are going for big numbers then a good management is the way forward.

RSMK4TURBO

Thats all mapped,car made 188bhp in the end at 1.2 bar,got 201bhp but it was detting so he turn the boost down.Spec,mongoose exhaust,k&n induction kit,airtec full frontal intercooler,piper 285 t2 cam/pully,collins chip and stage 3 turbo technics t3.
How much power can standard internals take?
Just to add the figures are at the wheels not the flywheel.

clarke5700

i would not go much passed 200 just to make sure

rsmark86

iTrader: (3)

theres another under line fault then if it wont make over 200bhp with out deting on a stage 3 t3 and it dont need a aftermarket management at that power mate... who set it up.

might be worth getting it tuned by a rs specialist mate.

like power engineering
jano at oddkidd creations
norris motorsport
jamsport....

any of these would have it doing 200bhp on your spec no problem mate.

and as long as its a good engine they have been known to do 250bhp with head work ,your turbo and either 5th injector or management.

RSMK4TURBO

This was where i took it for set up,car drives so much better now.
https://passionford.com/forum/shows-...n-results.html

rsmark86

iTrader: (3)

never heard of them mate to be honest might be worth just giving power engineering a ring and speak to ian ball and say what its got and what its doing it should be over 200bhp with your spec so must be a fault somewhere and ian will find it quick and not charge alot mate.

i had a 1600cvh the same spec as yours done by ian and it made 215bhp and 223lbs ....

RSMK4TURBO

Thats what ive always thought that the mods i have should be into 200ish bhp no probs,engine is not smoking,using oli ect,sounds good and always serviced.My understanding was that my mfi setup wastnt fueling enough fuel for the mods.The operater said that omex would make the power at less boost.

rsmark86

iTrader: (3)

trust me totd done the same to me wanted 300 to repair a loseing boost problem and said if i buy omex for 2k they would sort it for free and let me take my van that was massively running lean and at 123bhp lo with your spec so i went round to powers (as they are in the same industrial estate) and within a few hours they fitted a new actuator (the losing boost problem) and set it up for £220 all in including the actuator and i left with 215bhp and 223lbs and they done it the same day as they felt sorry for me getting my pants pulled down round the corner

RSMK4TURBO

Ok cheers for advice mate really helpful.

rsmark86

iTrader: (3)

no problem mate and if you do go for an after market management but aint gunna run anti lag and all that sort of stuff ive just fitted gotech mfi its the mfi replacement so you will use things like dizzy ect from yours and just replace the metering unit with a fuel rail and injectors... with mapping and all the bits fitted it can be done for under a grand... sitech racing offers the full conversion out at £950 fitted and mapped...

and its fitted my car with t34 and grey injectors now and fully forged engine and im looking for 280bhp so no need to spend the earth unless you want to use all the features of the ecu.

Neil@FastFord

Sweet! Told ya they were



With regard to the price of Omex on this thread. I wouldn't say it was "cheap" i know of a few tuners who could easily match or beat that price.

Who is potentially doing it??


I know Gordon at S.R.M.C is great with Omex and would easy beat that price, fitted 'n mapped.

Chip

iTrader: (3)

Its "ok", not exactly cutting edge but works well enough.

Neil@FastFord

Lol....what do you suggest for the same money chip?

And don't say Autronic....


It's not the best, but it's certainly not shit either.

It's for an RST on a sensible budget...for me he is lookin at Gotech, Emerald, Omex, T2....all similar ballparks prices. On that list i'd pick Omex due to the fact that pretty much any tuner can map Omex.

Chip

iTrader: (3)

Autronic is dearer than that if you are talking new, although secondhand my SM4 cost me under a grand all in (900 to buy, 50 quid for petrol to map it).

Personally I much prefer Mtec V4 to omex 600, and its cheaper than that too, around 1K fitted and mapped IIRC, so I'd probably go for that if I was in his situation.



Its "fit for purpose" and like you say its well known to most tuners.


1600 quid seems like a lot of money to spend on it though, but obviously im a little spoilt cost wise by never having to pay any labour or mapping costs, but whatever way you cut it, thats FAR more to just install and map the thing than it costs in the first place. It isnt quite autronic or vipec etc money, but its certainly heading towards it if you're paying that much for fitting and mapping.

Neil@FastFord

I know, you gave that example last time but it can't be applied as it's not a drive in drive out job.

Aye, you are mate. Just look at it from a "i want someone to sort my car for a sensible price" view.

I agree the £1600 is a touch more than the going rate.

How comfortable with V4 are other tuners?

For the ease of support, my money would go on a secondhand ecu if possible, a new loom for peace of mind and hopefully all in and mapped for over a grand. £1500 is the most i'd pay on Omex, even with a new ecu.

Chip

iTrader: (3)

Agreed, thats why I suggested the V4 rather than a DIY'd Autronic

TBH mate, its some of the best written software there is, I certainly picked it up very very quickly and I think that if any tuner couldnt then it probably just demonstrates that they are a bit too thick to be let near a car frankly!


Omex are a great company to deal with, totally agree on the customer service side of things, although if its peace of mind people are after, then a warranty is where its at so it needs to be new.
V4 has a two year warranty, and again they score very highly on the customer service front IMHO

Neil@FastFord

Having met matt, i found him ok. But i have to be honest and say i've heard a mixed bag on feedback. "It's all online" is something i have heard several times from other people.

Not slating him or the product but for say £200 difference. I'd be shopping around and be all new and running Omex.


What have you got for say £1500?

Omex
V4
T2
Emerald.
DTA
Gotech
Cossie if you have a shed full of non-fucked parts.

Lee at Devils may do a deal on KMS.

Chip

iTrader: (3)

The support is all online? I know they have a forum (although not visited it myself so cant comment on content) but if people dont like that then they should do what I do and just pick up the phone, Matt normally answers even if its an evening or weekend as it routes through to his mobile.



I'd not consider paying 200 quid more for a product that IMHO is not as good.

I suppose the problem is that im talking from a mapping perspective, i'll show you the two sets of software at some point and you'll see what I mean, but as a punter its less of an issue what its like to map as you wont be doing so you'll just be driving it and both will do that just fine.




The list of ECU's these days is enormous, every man and his dog seems to be flogging an ecu these days.

DTA are very good and very well supported too, thats another I would seriously consider on that list.

T2 has a bit of a pedigree and is the best "spec sheet win" for sure as you get to write that you are running a pectel ECU, and thats as cool as it gets!


Personally I think he should be choosing who he wants to trust to map his engine, and then going with THEIR advice on what ECU to use to do that.

I wouldnt buy a new boiler then look for a plumber to fit it, I would find a plumber and ask them for what boiler they thought I should use.

DazC

iTrader: (1)

I personally like the Omex 600 ECU. Nice little unit for the money IMO.

Last time I bought one it worked out about £900 for the ecu and loom.
Add about 100to 130 quids worth of sensors,
£80 coil pack,
some kind of manufactured crank toothed wheel or Fiesta EFI flywheel and sensor,
modified inlet and fuel rail, or an EFI manifold and adapter plate,
re-pipe the fuel supply to the above,

Then the labour to fit all this and map it?

Is £1600 really that much as I estimate that there is only about £300 to £400 in labour in that price....

rsmark86

iTrader: (3)

my mate owns the pectel t2 set up thats on fleabay and its a complete set up that ive seen running and been out in and its £825 so by time you get inlet ect and all little bits its still under a grand it was mapped for a stage 2 cosworth t3 at 17.5psi and made 240 something bhp and ran a 13.9 at pod with shed loads of wheels spin..

if it dont sell im buying it for my rs1600i that im building.