Anyone? Pics of FRS Gearbox in Escort RST?
18-08-2010, 06:02 PM
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Anyone? Pics of FRS Gearbox in Escort RST?
Has anyone got and pics off the above? Need to see how it sits etc and mainly of the inner wing you have to cut out? Pics of top mounts and rear mount also?
Will help out alot
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Will help out alot
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18-08-2010, 06:57 PM
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ive put an mtx into a mk3 and a mk4 escort mate, dont have any pics though 
, have you got all the bits together for the conversion? i can maybe help if you have any questions, did all the work myself.
, have you got all the bits together for the conversion? i can maybe help if you have any questions, did all the work myself.
18-08-2010, 07:05 PM
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Ive got the Box, getting top mount and shafts off Crazycage, just unsure of the bottom mount?
Any pics or info would be good!
Any pics or info would be good!
18-08-2010, 07:09 PM
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i made the two gearbox mounts mate, only front and back ones though, as for the inner wing, it doesnt need much, just a wee bit clearance for the plate with three bolts on the end of the box. what are you doing for shafts and gear linkage?
18-08-2010, 07:13 PM
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standard focus linkage is fine as long as its from a mtx and not a ib5.
18-08-2010, 07:16 PM
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urg wish i knew that, i made mine both from mk4/5 escort ones! and the shafts? as for the inner wing, bolt on the box and jack it near the inner wing, you will soon see what is required, i take it you have a 2 litre flywheel and something like a frs clutch ya.
18-08-2010, 07:22 PM
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yes i run a standard 2.0l flywheel and a ap uprated frs clutch.shafts i made my own and they seem to work fine
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18-08-2010, 07:26 PM
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cool, i cut mk5 tdi shafts and re-machined splines on the end for the mk4/3 outer cvs, although a mate has done a conversion on a golf and has cut and welded shafts, also with success. how did you make yours?
18-08-2010, 07:33 PM
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i sleeved them.i have a few sets all on big power cars with no probs,mines 370ish hp and done over 50 runs at the pod running fat slicks and 888s ect
18-08-2010, 07:38 PM
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sleeve over then weld?, people worry too much! the shafts i mentioned that are welded are in a 2.8 v6 turbo golf, they havent broken either lol. the mtx75 conversion is the future btw, i dont know why anyone would persue the bc box originally designed to take 90bhp max.
18-08-2010, 07:45 PM
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there wont be manny fwd fords with the power i run that get hammerd half as much mine and its proper reliable!
19-08-2010, 12:48 AM
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LOL way of the future... Been doing this for 10years plus. Old proven conversion now mate.
As for sleaving drive shafts. Think of this..
Your doing X amount of HIGH speed when your shaft snaps at the sleaved join.
Still attached to the hub it is now turning at X amount of high speed and cutting your floor a new hole, as well as your legs or your passangers legs. Lets hope enough of your leg stays in one piece so you can still use the breaks if the shaft hasnt ripped your brake line off your shell at that point.
Not a very clever idea.
19-08-2010, 07:17 AM
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LOL way of the future... Been doing this for 10years plus. Old proven conversion now mate.
As for sleaving drive shafts. Think of this..
Your doing X amount of HIGH speed when your shaft snaps at the sleaved join.
Still attached to the hub it is now turning at X amount of high speed and cutting your floor a new hole, as well as your legs or your passangers legs. Lets hope enough of your leg stays in one piece so you can still use the breaks if the shaft hasnt ripped your brake line off your shell at that point.
Not a very clever idea.
As for sleaving drive shafts. Think of this..
Your doing X amount of HIGH speed when your shaft snaps at the sleaved join.
Still attached to the hub it is now turning at X amount of high speed and cutting your floor a new hole, as well as your legs or your passangers legs. Lets hope enough of your leg stays in one piece so you can still use the breaks if the shaft hasnt ripped your brake line off your shell at that point.
Not a very clever idea.
19-08-2010, 07:46 AM
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ok they are manufactured to a very high standard, but then so is all the stuff that is welded and inspected at my work, that is used on oil rigs in the north sea.
20-08-2010, 09:20 AM
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The std shaft is hollow and has a certain amount of twist which is needed to stop shafts from snapping, Due to the low cost material they use to be able to twist there is no choice but to weld the ends from factory. This is not great and has been seen fail many times including snapping them in other places than on the weld.
If you now mess with these in any way, trying to make them longer or shorter etc. you risk the chances of causing issues at a later date. I have seen MTX shafts that have been cut and shut destroy the underside of a Fiesta RS Turbo back in 1999. If he had passangers God knows what would of happened.
Also when welding a spline section on to the shaft that has been cut etc it needs to be put on precisely, as if its at any slight angle imagine the turning shaft being out of balance at 130+mph
If your going to the effort of fitting the decent box why would you cut such an important part of the conversion out. Just to save a little money??? its not worth putting crap parts on your car made by a random people who have no experiance with metals and materials that do and dont work with each other.
Custom drive shafts i make are made from high grade quality metal, sent away to have the correct splines cut in, after they are heat treated, they are also rated to 2500bhp with warrenty thats its not going to leave you without legs at any point in your life.
Next lets talk prices? What the cost of random cut and shut shafts. Someone at first needs to buy them, then cut them, then prep and weld them, then hope they dont fall apart and kill anyone. This must cost a fair bit. So just pay the little extra and have peace of mind.
20-08-2010, 01:08 PM
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i cut my own splines mate as i am a precision machinist to trade.
not one for welding shafts but i would if there was no other option, as for spring in shafts, im not too sure about that, surley all steel has a small degree of spring? but the springs on your friction plate are there to take up drivetrain shock, not the driveshafts imo. What is the grade of the quality material you make your shafts from? Not dissagreeing with you just intersted in your methods, after all i would probably never of put my first MTX in if it wasnt for the pics on your old website.
not one for welding shafts but i would if there was no other option, as for spring in shafts, im not too sure about that, surley all steel has a small degree of spring? but the springs on your friction plate are there to take up drivetrain shock, not the driveshafts imo. What is the grade of the quality material you make your shafts from? Not dissagreeing with you just intersted in your methods, after all i would probably never of put my first MTX in if it wasnt for the pics on your old website.
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20-08-2010, 01:53 PM
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The std shaft is hollow and has a certain amount of twist which is needed to stop shafts from snapping, Due to the low cost material they use to be able to twist there is no choice but to weld the ends from factory. This is not great and has been seen fail many times including snapping them in other places than on the weld.
If you now mess with these in any way, trying to make them longer or shorter etc. you risk the chances of causing issues at a later date. I have seen MTX shafts that have been cut and shut destroy the underside of a Fiesta RS Turbo back in 1999. If he had passangers God knows what would of happened.
Also when welding a spline section on to the shaft that has been cut etc it needs to be put on precisely, as if its at any slight angle imagine the turning shaft being out of balance at 130+mph
If your going to the effort of fitting the decent box why would you cut such an important part of the conversion out. Just to save a little money??? its not worth putting crap parts on your car made by a random people who have no experiance with metals and materials that do and dont work with each other.
Custom drive shafts i make are made from high grade quality metal, sent away to have the correct splines cut in, after they are heat treated, they are also rated to 2500bhp with warrenty thats its not going to leave you without legs at any point in your life.
Next lets talk prices? What the cost of random cut and shut shafts. Someone at first needs to buy them, then cut them, then prep and weld them, then hope they dont fall apart and kill anyone. This must cost a fair bit. So just pay the little extra and have peace of mind.
If you now mess with these in any way, trying to make them longer or shorter etc. you risk the chances of causing issues at a later date. I have seen MTX shafts that have been cut and shut destroy the underside of a Fiesta RS Turbo back in 1999. If he had passangers God knows what would of happened.
Also when welding a spline section on to the shaft that has been cut etc it needs to be put on precisely, as if its at any slight angle imagine the turning shaft being out of balance at 130+mph
If your going to the effort of fitting the decent box why would you cut such an important part of the conversion out. Just to save a little money??? its not worth putting crap parts on your car made by a random people who have no experiance with metals and materials that do and dont work with each other.
Custom drive shafts i make are made from high grade quality metal, sent away to have the correct splines cut in, after they are heat treated, they are also rated to 2500bhp with warrenty thats its not going to leave you without legs at any point in your life.
Next lets talk prices? What the cost of random cut and shut shafts. Someone at first needs to buy them, then cut them, then prep and weld them, then hope they dont fall apart and kill anyone. This must cost a fair bit. So just pay the little extra and have peace of mind.
20-08-2010, 01:56 PM
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if you dont rate any of my previous griffin badged novas you need taken to school.i heard there was a redtop engined s2 up in ellon o elrick or some turnip growing place like that,thats the best of both worlds,a s2 with a decent reliable thrash all day engine.the guy took it out and put back in a cvh.that was my plan for the jof after i smashed it,but id ruined it enough,it was time for somebody else to have a go!
20-08-2010, 02:00 PM
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if you dont rate any of my previous griffin badged novas you need taken to school.i heard there was a redtop engined s2 up in ellon o elrick or some turnip growing place like that,thats the best of both worlds,a s2 with a decent reliable thrash all day engine.the guy took it out and put back in a cvh.that was my plan for the jof after i smashed it,but id ruined it enough,it was time for somebody else to have a go!
20-08-2010, 02:08 PM
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I have plans for this escort and it involves making you want to buy it lol
20-08-2010, 02:18 PM
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Depends what box you want to use? You can get a standard MTX box for £100-200 then you need shafts, off Jano bout £500ish, but people on here make sleved ones that are very good for a lot less than half that price! Then you need mounts and clutch.
20-08-2010, 02:39 PM
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most of the nova shafts are well small though ay mate? prob only 20mm in dia, mk5 escort tdi ones are near 27mm, you sold the gucci shell yet?
20-08-2010, 02:43 PM
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Cool, first one i did had std diff, last one was helical lsd, i ran both for over a year as my daily driver, one was 1800 zetec turbo other 2 litre zvh, both had no drivetrain problems at all. even doing daft things like 3rd and 4th gear wheel spins, all the usual FWD nonsense lol.
20-08-2010, 03:09 PM
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MK5 escort tdi ones, that come with the mtx boxes, same as rs2k ones, i cut 10mm off one, 30mm off the other, and turn the OD down on them both, then mill new splines on the CNC mill mate, i use a spare outer CV to gauge the splines to a perfect fit.
20-08-2010, 03:55 PM
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unsure of diameter but vauxhall were kind enough to use different parts on different cars which fit together,nova shafts off say a 1.2 are 21 spline iirc and gte shafts are 23 spline,23 spline shafts fit 1.6 diesel astramax van inners which fit the f16 and f20 gearboxes.a friend with a let nova bought proper shafts from peter maiden as he built a mega nova years ago and thought that he would try out the 'proper' shafts,they broke and he went back to made up shafts which stayed on the car till it vanished a few years ago.the shell is still waiting for you to come and pick it up!ryan,you had your chance to sell to me but im no going back to a s2 now.
20-08-2010, 04:03 PM
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unsure of diameter but vauxhall were kind enough to use different parts on different cars which fit together,nova shafts off say a 1.2 are 21 spline iirc and gte shafts are 23 spline,23 spline shafts fit 1.6 diesel astramax van inners which fit the f16 and f20 gearboxes.a friend with a let nova bought proper shafts from peter maiden as he built a mega nova years ago and thought that he would try out the 'proper' shafts,they broke and he went back to made up shafts which stayed on the car till it vanished a few years ago.the shell is still waiting for you to come and pick it up!ryan,you had your chance to sell to me but im no going back to a s2 now.
21-08-2010, 07:57 AM
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Being rated to 2500bhp is overkill when BC shafts mostly hold out at 300bhp+ so these ones will do 99.9% of all RST owners without any probs!
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