bubs_rsturbo

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hi im looking some advise on tuning my 1988 escort rs turbo. shes pretty standard apart from bailey dump valve and full scorpion exhaust system. im looking to get her up to the 180/200 bhp mark without spending a fortune. i called out to my local tuning garage momentum motorsport. they said they do a turbo exchange and upgrade the internals witha 360 degree bearing for £700, should it be that expensive? they said for £1000 all in they would upgrade the turbo put on a new actuator, a boost controller and a chip which shoud see 180 bhp. any help or advice appreciated guys cheers

taz1787

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well for mine to reach that its cost in the region of 3k

botters

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stage 3 turbos are £550 outright at turbo technics so yes thats dear the rest of the stuff for £300 is ok tho, i personally would take it to norris motorsport, jamsport or motorsport developments if i were you, i know its a trek for you but would be well worth it

botters

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3k for 180bhp!!!!!!!!!! thats outrageous where was that at?

taz1787

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bought over time so wouldn't be that much now

taz1787

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well mines got a little better spec wise but still on standard cam and turbo

but

chipped ecu
pro alloy front mount
pace alloy rad
airtec turbo cooler
-31 actuater
samcos all round
bailey breather
bailey dump valve
k&n filter

bubs_rsturbo

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3k for 180 bhp! sod that. so where can i get myself one of these stage 3 turbos? is that t2 or t3 excuse my ignorance please. im from belfast so a goin to england i costing more. momentum is at the end of my street

botters

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its t3 but will be cossie spec not rs turbo spec so you may have to have a different flange on the downpipe but that wont be exspensive at all
as for where to get them

www.turbotechnics.com

bubs_rsturbo

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many thanks mate i will give them a call tomorrow, save myself £150

Chopshop85

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WHOA!! I have the same spec except the alloy rad (cos theyre pants) and turbo cooler. All put together on a rebuilt engine and gearbox. All in was about £1600 (including rebuild)!! Second hand parts are the way forward i think.

taz1787

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ok well just to clarify

it would of cost new 3k (prices of parts have gone down since so probably around £2.5k now thats with engine etc)

also i never said i paid 3k for it i said its cost 3k as most of the parts i bought secondhand although i bought most as one item

so its probably cost in the region of £1500 without a rebuild of engine or box

but thats over 4 years its now in the process of coming out and having a rebuild although it will just be cleaned checked and new gaskets and a lick of paint for time being save for a full rebuild later as i run on a budget then have setup properly and rolling roaded to get an exact bhp figure as when i bought engine got told it was around 200 but i have seen figures and people always think its more than it actually is so expecting around 180-190 to be realistic

DazC

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180bhp can be obtained on a standard turbo with a -31 actuator, about a bar of boost, chip, filter and exhaust (not scorpion).

Taz, the rad, turbo cooler, dump valve, hoses and breather is not adding any power so shouldn't be included in the parts list required to obtain 180bhp.

bubs_rsturbo

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[quote=DazC;4941727]180bhp can be obtained on a standard turbo with a -31 actuator, about a bar of boost, chip, filter and exhaust (not scorpion).

whats the matter with the scorpion system?

so is it not worth me upgrading the turbo?

milesy23rst

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Scorpion exhausts have been found to be restrictive as the bore that comes out of the silencer is no bigger than the standard rst exhaust!!! you are better off with a mongoose or if thats too noisy try a magnex

Karlos G

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No you dont need a turbo for 180bhp, chip, bleed valve, and a setup is all thats NEEDED

bubs_rsturbo

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so how can momentum justify quoting me £1000 to get her to 180bhp??!

why does it take them to have a £700 turbo fitted? what benefit is that gonna give me than the standard one? cheers again

Neil

bubs_rsturbo

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does anyone else agree??

i think i will stick to my scorpion to be honest

Karlos G

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Well if they are fitting an upgraded Stage 3 turbo as you said above, then the price of that, a setup, and with labour could be £1000.

DazC

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You'll not benefit from the turbo unless you plan to use it to it's potential. That means head work, cam, ditching the scorpion, bigger cooler and more boost with possibly a fifth injector. You're power output will then be up around 240ish. The bigger turbo will be more laggy than the standard.

botters

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i agree the first thing i did was remove my rear silencer to fit another as the scorpion rear silencer has an inner bore size of 1+3/4 inch!! therefore extremely restrictive they need to be 2.5 inch through the silencer minimum

bubs_rsturbo

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ok so if i replace my scorpion back box, get an ecu chip a 31 actuator and a set up i should see 180bhp with the standard turbo? anythin else should know? im gettin a refurb on my head first but dont want a silly big cam. prob go for a lightened flywheel and an upgraded clutch and decent ht leads/ change fuel filter and new rotor arm

DazC

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Yes you will see 180 from the standard turbo. You'll only need the larger turbo for more power. The scorpion back box is more restrictive than a standard exhaust by the way. You're loseing power with it on.

Christian and Beccy

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Stage 2 is a good idea, not really any additional lag, but a bit more scope to make a bit more power. 180bhp on a standard turbo, on MFi isn't a certainty.

bubs_rsturbo

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how much for a stage two turbo?

could i just change my scorpion back box?

milesy23rst

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Not sure you can but you are better off with a full system as i think the scorpion back box is longer so is not inter changeable with a mongoose they come up quite often on here and on ebay so have a look, and as karlos g has said decent chip, -31, decent exhaust, air filter, decent alloy intercooler (front mount) and a set up by a decent tuner karl norris, jamsport etc will see 180-190 bhp providing your metering unit is in good enough order

bubs_rsturbo

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i live in belfast cant really afford the extra costs in taking the car to england to be honest,

can you still get a decent result from buying these parts 2nd hand? what about a 2nd hand stage 2 turbo?

milesy23rst

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Yes you can but there is always the chance of buying something thats fucked, in my experiance for chips, turbos, actuators etc stick to the ford forums and not ebay there are always decent fellas of here selling decent stuff so get browsing m8

Rob_DOHC

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Didn't know the scorpion was restrictive? ive got a 3" bore with a 4" back box and can't see any smaller tubes inside?????

Rob,

tasos77

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last week bought a stage 2 T3 from a member here for 250 GBP including heat wraped standard manifold and -31 actuator...