Whats the perfect reciepe for the top speed record?
19-12-2009, 07:36 PM
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you really need to either proof read the whole thread as your mixing everything up.
19-12-2009, 07:39 PM
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to say that you know the box wont do it and make a song and dance about it! then to say afterwards i got my info from a link!
19-12-2009, 07:44 PM
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http://www.fordst170.co.uk/specs.php
Scroll down to Gear Ratios, then check the data in that table against what I have entered in these tables.....
I missed 3rd and 4th out as according to that link they run on a separate layshaft with its own 4.25 final drive. These are facts, surely? It's not that hard to follow, is it?
Now, here is the data for my MTX. OK, I made an error, its 187mph, not 189mph. However, 7200rpm is 182mph and 7000rpm is 177mph. This means that if I had hit the same RPM as I did before, I would have done over 175mph.
19-12-2009, 08:05 PM
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How many times can you be consistently presented with info and not grab the jist...
19-12-2009, 08:26 PM
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christian is correct, a 6 speed box would be no good for a top speed record on a standard turbo zetec,as it would only be around 174mph at 7500 rpm.
but the same box would theoreticly hit 197 if you could rev it to 8500rpm
but the same box would theoreticly hit 197 if you could rev it to 8500rpm
19-12-2009, 08:42 PM
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thats not what he is saying mate, the graph shows 167mph @7500rpm not 174mph! and we are not talking of zetec but cvh.
19-12-2009, 08:45 PM
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Additionally, can you imagine how much distance you would travel in the time it would take to get from 7000rpm to 8000rpm? Believe me, unless you're running MASSIVE and I mean MAAAASSSSIVE horsepower, you'll not accelerate fast enough. Each 1mph increment takes time at that level.
People underestimate top speed, but 170mph in an RS Turbo is a GARGANTUAN achievement, those that have done it know how hard it is. Those have been close know how hard it is, but also those that thought they could do it but fell short by SUCH a long way also know how hard it is.
So many things need to be just so, then on top of that you need balls of steel. Especially a Brunters, it's deceptively short once you get over the crest. You need to stay on the loud pedal FAR longer than you ever thought possible and when you see their brake markers (used for trackdays etc) and you're in all the way FAR past those, then you'll realise.
I do greatly regret not regaining the record, but I know the risks and the balance of risks just didn't add up for me. I could have lost everything on that last outing and thats a gamble I just didn't want to take.
People underestimate top speed, but 170mph in an RS Turbo is a GARGANTUAN achievement, those that have done it know how hard it is. Those have been close know how hard it is, but also those that thought they could do it but fell short by SUCH a long way also know how hard it is.
So many things need to be just so, then on top of that you need balls of steel. Especially a Brunters, it's deceptively short once you get over the crest. You need to stay on the loud pedal FAR longer than you ever thought possible and when you see their brake markers (used for trackdays etc) and you're in all the way FAR past those, then you'll realise.
I do greatly regret not regaining the record, but I know the risks and the balance of risks just didn't add up for me. I could have lost everything on that last outing and thats a gamble I just didn't want to take.
19-12-2009, 08:50 PM
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Believe me, over the years I've studied gear ratios until I went boggle-eyed. Not just on paper, but physically counting gears and doing the maths. I've bought multiple gearboxes JUST to find the gearset I want before. Infact my MTX was solved that way. I got inside info from Ford as to which gearsets had which ratios and which tag numbers had which gearsets in. Then I had to go hunting for what turned out to be probably the rarest of all the MTX's. It's not easy.
19-12-2009, 09:07 PM
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Tim dont bother as a few of us have asked this clown for spec and info about his supercar RST
Were still waiting on proof
19-12-2009, 09:12 PM
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Perhaps Lloyd didn't notice the chart for 7500rpm, maybe he estimated the 7500rpm speed based on the 8000rpm data.
Believe me, over the years I've studied gear ratios until I went boggle-eyed. Not just on paper, but physically counting gears and doing the maths. I've bought multiple gearboxes JUST to find the gearset I want before. Infact my MTX was solved that way. I got inside info from Ford as to which gearsets had which ratios and which tag numbers had which gearsets in. Then I had to go hunting for what turned out to be probably the rarest of all the MTX's. It's not easy.
Believe me, over the years I've studied gear ratios until I went boggle-eyed. Not just on paper, but physically counting gears and doing the maths. I've bought multiple gearboxes JUST to find the gearset I want before. Infact my MTX was solved that way. I got inside info from Ford as to which gearsets had which ratios and which tag numbers had which gearsets in. Then I had to go hunting for what turned out to be probably the rarest of all the MTX's. It's not easy.
and what engine did simon use,as its had different ones fitted?
19-12-2009, 09:32 PM
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Certainly running big tyres like that would have an impact.
I remember one year I was running 195/45/16 and I tried 205/40/17 and couldn't go as fast. I think at that time my power wasn't high enough to pull the 17's along as rapidly. OK, so the theoretical top speed is higher, but the REAL actual speed was less.
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19-12-2009, 10:04 PM
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Aaah, OK, now I see.
Certainly running big tyres like that would have an impact.
I remember one year I was running 195/45/16 and I tried 205/40/17 and couldn't go as fast. I think at that time my power wasn't high enough to pull the 17's along as rapidly. OK, so the theoretical top speed is higher, but the REAL actual speed was less.
Certainly running big tyres like that would have an impact.
I remember one year I was running 195/45/16 and I tried 205/40/17 and couldn't go as fast. I think at that time my power wasn't high enough to pull the 17's along as rapidly. OK, so the theoretical top speed is higher, but the REAL actual speed was less.
like when the tops of my doors came away from the shell at speeds of between 155 and 160.the noise was very loud and frightening.
19-12-2009, 10:12 PM
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The mini cooper S ratio's can be made to fit the ST170 box, which will give you slightly higher 6th. I've done all the maths, and realised the MTX is the better box for such a light car with big torque. The ratio's in my MTX are a mix and match giving near identical to the std RST ratios.
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20-12-2009, 07:06 AM
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I found that with 195 50 15 tyres, 7200 Rpm with 380hp the car would do 163mph.
If you want the car to do more than 180 with a st170 box then in theory your looking at revving to 8500rpm and sticking some 18s on the car imo.
Im tempting myself with a custom gear kit from Elite Transmissions, I ended up spending the money saved on a S1.
Still debating the idea though
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20-12-2009, 09:30 AM
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I found simular but when you consider that there is not much rolling circumfrance differance between 205 50 15 and 205 40 17 then you will see that the box is sutable for most speed trials. IMO
I am not making any claims about the box, I just feel you all have not looked at it with the correct data.
Also to clarify I am not Morphs tuner. I have swopped a few emails as he is interested in a 6 speed box conversion.
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20-12-2009, 09:39 AM
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I found simular but when you consider that there is 19% rolling circumfrance differance between 205 50 15 and 205 40 17 then you will see that the box is sutable for most speed trials. IMO
I am not making any claims about the box, I just feel you all have not looked at it with the correct data.
Also to clarify I am not Morphs tuner. I have swopped a few emails as he is interested in a 6 speed box conversion.
I am not making any claims about the box, I just feel you all have not looked at it with the correct data.
Also to clarify I am not Morphs tuner. I have swopped a few emails as he is interested in a 6 speed box conversion.
20-12-2009, 09:41 AM
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morph , i feel for you fella ...........i really do ,
but .. and dont take this the wrong way , youve kinda jumped into the ring with the heavyweights and started shouting you can box cos your trainer told you that you can
but it dosent mean your a boxxer ??
i think that this is down to a lack of information on your part namely being ,
- no reall information as to who this magical tuner is ? like just his name no riddles
-no information on your engine - spec -power -maybe even a few dyno sheets to show where the torque is ?
- a bit of a your wrong hes right attitude ( wich aint bad but aint helping in this situation)
a bit of lack of knowldge on your%2
but .. and dont take this the wrong way , youve kinda jumped into the ring with the heavyweights and started shouting you can box cos your trainer told you that you can
but it dosent mean your a boxxer ??
i think that this is down to a lack of information on your part namely being ,
- no reall information as to who this magical tuner is ? like just his name no riddles
-no information on your engine - spec -power -maybe even a few dyno sheets to show where the torque is ?
- a bit of a your wrong hes right attitude ( wich aint bad but aint helping in this situation)
a bit of lack of knowldge on your%2
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Maybe he can add some garlic and onions to the fairy dust and make a special french pocket rocket that will hold together and wont fall apart when reaching speed over 100mph!
20-12-2009, 09:55 AM
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morph , i feel for you fella ...........i really do ,
but .. and dont take this the wrong way , youve kinda jumped into the ring with the heavyweights and started shouting you can box cos your trainer told you that you can
but it dosent mean your a boxxer ??
i think that this is down to a lack of information on your part namely being ,
- no reall information as to who this magical tuner is ? like just his name no riddles
-no information on your engine - spec -power -maybe even a few dyno sheets to show where the torque is ?
- a bit of a your wrong hes right attitude ( wich aint bad but aint helping in this situation)
a bit of lack of knowldge on your part re speed tables ect ,
now i dont profess to knowing a hullva lot when it comes to record breaking ect (unless its pie eating )
but the tables christian posted are quite simple if you break them down ,
imho if a tuner is willing to promise you a 178+ engine and gearbox ect he should sit down with you and explain how its going to achive that , whats needed ,why ,difficulties ect,
maybe you need to sit back down with him and break a few things down ,
i genuinely hope you go set a record ,evolution of the rs and cvh is a great thing i dont think its sour grapes from christian ,
but you have to try and find a bit of respect for the folk with experience mate its that simple ,
arguing till your blue in the face about things youve admitted you dont understand makes you look like a cunt ?
and thats what youll stay in folks eyes unless you produce proof of an engine /tuner /graphs imo ,
all the best , said it as nice as i can ,
beef
but .. and dont take this the wrong way , youve kinda jumped into the ring with the heavyweights and started shouting you can box cos your trainer told you that you can
but it dosent mean your a boxxer ??
i think that this is down to a lack of information on your part namely being ,
- no reall information as to who this magical tuner is ? like just his name no riddles
-no information on your engine - spec -power -maybe even a few dyno sheets to show where the torque is ?
- a bit of a your wrong hes right attitude ( wich aint bad but aint helping in this situation)
a bit of lack of knowldge on your part re speed tables ect ,
now i dont profess to knowing a hullva lot when it comes to record breaking ect (unless its pie eating )
but the tables christian posted are quite simple if you break them down ,
imho if a tuner is willing to promise you a 178+ engine and gearbox ect he should sit down with you and explain how its going to achive that , whats needed ,why ,difficulties ect,
maybe you need to sit back down with him and break a few things down ,
i genuinely hope you go set a record ,evolution of the rs and cvh is a great thing i dont think its sour grapes from christian ,
but you have to try and find a bit of respect for the folk with experience mate its that simple ,
arguing till your blue in the face about things youve admitted you dont understand makes you look like a cunt ?
and thats what youll stay in folks eyes unless you produce proof of an engine /tuner /graphs imo ,
all the best , said it as nice as i can ,
beef
totally agree i should have double checked with other tuners regarding the specifics of what the box is geared to.
but to get comments from these guys like christian who have done this sort of thing and then just take the piss for miss-information just makes me think they would rather not see these records touched.
Respect should be a 2 way thing simply stating your not gonna do this etc.. just does not cut it for me!
I have shown a small spec of my car, until i am ready to show the full spec and pics then peeps need to wait for that not start posting childish teenager coments like 'He chats shite', Do you think that is gonna make me show my pics and spec?
20-12-2009, 10:17 AM
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i dont see the point in all this top speed crap you will never do it on the road so surly its just for bragging rights???
20-12-2009, 10:38 AM
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if you want to ask the tuner about respect then i suggest you thow your comments to him mate - user id SAS.
20-12-2009, 10:46 AM
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http://www.ap-tuning.co.uk/
Here is my car on his rollers........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYBcSd4HjD8
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20-12-2009, 10:56 AM
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Well technically I supose Gary is but Christian still knows more than the averge Joe certainly when it comes to the CVH and this subject in particular.
http://www.ap-tuning.co.uk/
Here is my car on his rollers........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYBcSd4HjD8
http://www.ap-tuning.co.uk/
Here is my car on his rollers........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYBcSd4HjD8
and christain owns ap-tuning?
20-12-2009, 10:59 AM
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I have read the whole thread and come to the conclusion from that thanks, christian is recknowned throughout the rst tuning world for what he has done but you bicker with him in my eyes that makes me think you are an idiot and are just JEALOUS of what he has achieved all he has done is try and help and give you reputable figures