Rob_DOHC

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Well said!

d4 rst

This is sweet bay.

Neil@FastFord

I agree with that to a point, providing you had never experienced a 200bhp RST before. As it would feel quick and if you had nothing to compare too. But my Fiesta is ok at around 270bhp and stupid at 330bhp...like a world apart.

Times don't tell porkie pies though, we knew something wasn't quite right when we stuck timing gear on it and it pulled-

0-60- 8.5 sec
0-100 17.6
Quarter-16.5 @ 92mph


Good to know it is sorted now, as it is a tidy car...but alarm bells were ringin'

stuart collins

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that 0-60 is around my 0-100 time and i recon i could do 0-150 faster than that 0-100

neil give me a txt as lost all my numbers again

d4 rst

Hi stuart collins can i see pics of your bay MATE ?

XR2

Mine:

XR2 MK2. Still CVH with some goodies

first conversion, 105 hp XR3i MFI engine, Ashley manifold





upgraded with RS1600i inlet and rocker cover, Grp.A CSC manifold


after the total rebuild of the car:


today:
full mappable injection (www.trijekt.de)
silicone hoses (Roose and Samco)
Bailey header tank
and and and...

1223456

shocking story d4 (which i struggling to belive it sounds that bad) but im sure jamie and the team will sort you out as they having been working on these engines for years.

Will it be ready for central day?

jonny s2

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neil, i was curious too mate

these guys never deserved this, cost them a fortune too i bet, i remember s1 john telling me someone had ruined his car but wouldnt tell me who,

D4 your posts seem to be A LOT better of late the tuner needs to be spoke to face to face tbh, thats what id be doing, and also make others aware it dont happen to them

XRT_si

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I think that's the most important point here!

Canada1

[QUOTE=Neil@FastFord;5345694]I agree with that to a point, providing you had never experienced a 200bhp RST before. As it would feel quick and if you had nothing to compare too. But my Fiesta is ok at around 270bhp and stupid at 330bhp...like a world apart.

Times don't tell porkie pies though, we knew something wasn't quite right when we stuck timing gear on it and it pulled-

0-60- 8.5 sec
0-100 17.6
Quarter-16.5 @ 92mph

/QUOTE]

92mph at the end of a quarter mile would make anyone dissapointed
The 270bhp Fiesta should be hitting 115+ mph at the end of the quarter mile.

Cheers

crazycage

[QUOTE=Canada1;5345976]300hp is needed to pull 115mph on the 1/4 .
270 is about 112mph in a mk3 fiesta .

ROB7656

after the light has been shed D4RST aint the cock he sounded,just fed a load of bulshit by someone who mugged him.

shame this still goes on!

XRT_si

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Agree, my old Fiesta ran 113mph with about 270bhp.

d4 rst

I just loved my rst .

d4 rst

d4 rst will live

johnenright150rst

so how much bhp did you have in the end d4?

what about the dyno printouts??

Neil@FastFord

Yep, i agree on the terminal predictions said by you and Crazycage....those times were not mine though mate...they were what said "tuned" car did....they told him 300...then he asked as he said it didnt feel that quick and they said "no its 270bhp" and it did those times


.....i KNOW my car does what it does, because i have had it on several rollers, all with a few bhp, and i have had quick FWD cars for years, so my arse dyno is reasonabley good, ok it don't have a certificate of calibration, but i know whats what.....plus, i don't drive through Safari parks and have the PG Tips monkeys work on my cars I had a word and recommended Jamsport, things were discovered, put right and thankfully he is happy with the car he should have originally had

Neil@FastFord

*cough* next issue off FF in all its glory

But you are coming across much better mate, disgusting this has happened and no doubt Jamsport will sort it, hope it gets out to play again soon man, what did you pay in the end?

morph

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I must say i was kinda shocked by all the bad results at brunters but it opened my eyes to what i was been fed by the tuner.
i could not understand how my car was performing bad if it was a 270bhp car.
as i had never been in a 250bhp rs turbo i had no reference to go by.
so to me it was what i was shown it was via dyno printouts.

only thing that i will say postive, it did not blow up after 5mins of getting it back so at least something was done half right.
its a shame that these sort of people do this wether they mean to or not.
i gave up on trying to get my issues sorted as they 2nd time it went back he had the car for 6 weeks to sort out the poor mapping.
Took your advice in the end and went to a decent tuner that sorted everything out in a week.
I think the lesson learnt for me was not to put too much trust in what tuners promise and buy cheap you buy twice!

Neil@FastFord

Aye mate, glad you went to Jamsport, ...it's not cool that these things happen.

Sometimes you have to learn the hard way, through no fault of your own, but if others are made aware, guess some good can come of it

12_Second_rst

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im sure ep have since changed there name i rang them to get a quote on mapping and they answered under a different name thankfully it didnt go there

ram

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Ive heard great things from ppl about E.P in the cossie world, but looks like this could be another one to avoid

jaiscossie

Just read the last few pages of this thread and i truly feel sorry for you d4.Whoever did the bodge work mentioned by stu which jamsport found needs shutting down as there obviously not capable of even an oil and filter change.At least now you know your car is in safe hands at Jamsport.These guys built my engine and i know its been done properly and thats reassuring.

d4 rst

No BHP it went bang. ( I was told it was 320BHP )

StephenC

Bad news that, such a shame. I was lucky in the sence I sent my car to a "tuner" for a year and managed to see through his bullshit and lies and pulled the car out of their before things got expensive. Well, bodywork was ruined by him, but luckily he hadnt started on the engine. Such an easy trap to fall in to, you get convinced that your car is getting special treatment and they really know what theyre doing only to find that you could probably have got better service at kwikfit!!!
Onwards and upwards d4
XR2.de , the latest incarnation looks great.

XR2

Thanks That's the (r)evolution of 8 years. I'm quite happy now, just needs some minor touches.

Rs Cosworth 1

Right firstly this is not slander or pulling the said tuner down, It’s just my dealing with enhanced performance (Luke and danny CHARLIE1). 2009-2010.

I had my engine built for my S1 escort at medway rs centre (kent) they did a pretty good job I’ll admit but we had a few issus regarding a wiring job done on my car, So I looked for a tuner who could fix my issues and also set the car up, EP was recommended to me so I rang luke up and had a chat, He agreed to sort my issues out and guarantee the engine as he would give it a full check over and set up, Ł1280 fixing a little wiring not all of it like I asked and setting the car up (Also fitting a flamer kit) Knocked me Ł80 off the bill.

So I take my S1 to EP, It’s there longer than he said it would be, But eventually i got it back and started driving it, I noticed a slight stutter on cruise (boost was fine 15PSI), So I took it back luke said the MFI is shit and needs sorting (I was peeved off as should have been fixed before let out on the road) So I had a another MFI metering head and so did luke, So went down and changed it over no JOY same shit (Rough idle and stuttering) So luke said we will EFI for just the cost of the ECU Ł180 IIRC (As a favour for the troubles so far) So I was happy, He set the S1 just before I went home that day, I broke down 2 times on the M25 due to a rough set up,

I take it back again, Luke sets it up again AGAIN Christ it’s only MFI, He kept it a while while fixing it, So I pick it up again I ask him is it safe to drive as going to see my sister up in leeds in the S1, Luke said it’s fine don’t worry, So off I set on my 230mile journey, 15miles on the return trip BANG no boost just BANG I pull over engine is that hot I burnt my self on the inlet, Engine tapping like a bitch stuttering like anything (Its foooked), I get recovery at the cost of nearly Ł500 to lukes garage (EP).

So there inspecting the S1 (danny and luke) Luke reckons head gasket which I even knew wasn’t the case, We check the oil (Me and danny) and the oil is silver (Particles) so its fooked strip it down, Which they do to find the cam had been wearing out (Hence the stuttering and rough idle) and the cam lobe wore off shattered the tappet into my STAGE 3 head cam head all snuffed, So luke wouldnt accept any responsibility for the engine breaking, I classed it as shit tuning if he sent it out rough idling stuttering without even finding the problem and he GUARANTEED the S1’s engine after the Ł1200 bill, So much for that guarantee he straight blamed medway using a fucked cam, Which even I knew marc wouldn’t do that, So I went to marc asked for my old head and cam back which he build up for me (Thanks marc) I had luke fit the new head etc, Luke promised a full drop of it’s guts and clean out of all the gallerys with metal shards (from the tappet only 1/4 was recovered of the tappet the rest was in the engine somewhere, Lukes words!) So all the metal bits in the oil, He changes the head bill’s me near enough Ł500 for a head change, JUST A HEAD CHANGE! Because he didn’t drain the engine, As I drove it away well happy no stutter etc I was chuffed, Nearly home and the stuttering starts again .

I phone him up, Very pissed off as I checked the oil when I got back and there was NO OIL in the engine at all :S. Checked in the morning was all there (SILVER particles still in the oil) So took it back and was given 2 excuses, Dannys report big ends shell’s etc, Lukes it’s the cam again,

So from here luke offers a full apology and tell’s me EP will re-build your engine top to bottom to make sure it is all sorted on the next build of the same engine, (FREE OF CHARGE) for the build he even offers EFI to me which I accept, So months go by, Eventually it’s ready, I nicely get informed it’s costing me Ł1000+ for the build, I went mental at him and threatened him with posting all my info on passion ford, He soon back down and reduced the bill still made no difference I didn’t have Ł600 as I spent up and in all honesty I wasn’t paying for a garages mistake, He see’s sense and let’s me take the car as mum was selling her cosworth, Well the engine is built up running EFI but WAIT what’s this all over my S1 (BLACK OVER SPRAY chips and dent in my wing) :@ Very fuming!!!
So I drive to pauls (north yorks and even ask paul how the engine sounded ENGINE not gear box, Sounded unhealthy to say the least)
On the way back I notice it’s getting tappy I was ok new build so I will top the oil up, Yeah BECAUSE there wasn’t any oil in it!!! Later on found out he had not put my return oil pipe on my breather system so oil was been pissed out over my gearbox, Again I get home, I look over the car in the day light and WELL FUMING WAS NOT WORD!!!

List of damaged parts, Body dents scratches, Floor pan was jacked up on which gave me a hole in the floor, Black over spray all over my MINT S1 (Anyone who saw my S1 will agree it was very VERY CLEAN) Needless to say I phoned back up RANTING RAVING etc, EP wanted the car back to fix I was dead set against it, So he payed me for a re-build of the same engine Ł1000 (about) I sold the S1 off in bits and shell with all bits for 2K, So lesson learnt 4K buying the car, 5K at medway, A further Ł2500 (Around) I walked out with enough money to reclaim my 4K buying budget,

In my EXPERIENCE they are bodgers and luke uses his gift of the gab!! ASK any decent tuner and re-search ABC motorsport before you touch these guys! Oh yeah and the owner of EP is CHARLIE1 on here, If he is indeed the owner still. Everyone needs a muppet with cash right?.

Overview of what I found wrong when I stripped the engine my self, (Pictures to prove)
Spark plugs 3 were champion 1 was something else, Oil had gone gunky, Silicone holding my inlet on and my TB, Injectors fitted incorrectly (Leaking), Crap fuel lines used for EFI, Oil return pipe to block missing, Dent on my wing, Rust in my sunroof from been left for months in the rain, Scrath on my wing, Black over spray everywhere, (CAZ will know this as she helped me clean the car up).

Take a look at the pictures and see for your self, Ask your self WOULD YOU TRUST THEM WITH YOUR RS!? It cost me Ł7500 and I never saw a penny back of that money WHAT A WASTE!!!. + people might see why I was over concerned with STEVES 4I map been messed with by EP instead of tony!!

S1johnS1 on my old mans account! I will just ADD EVERY TIME I TOOK THE CAR OUT IT BROKE THAT SAME DAY! It was off the road a year with all this messing about!!!

CheeRS.



A link to my account onb photo bucket - http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s...n_08/Car%20S1/ If the link doesnt work i will be on later to sort it, Rob my good man how ya been? Is the RS all done? I am good thanks mate just been busying my self with other things had my fingers burnt just walked away,

Hope the mods dont remove as this is my dealing with EP and we are allowed - and + comments about firms surely!.

XRT_si

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Shit mate that's horrendous!

Seriously I thought EP had a good rep from some people who had very simple setting up jobs on here? This needs to be taken to General Discussion so others can see it surely?

There's people on here that have gone to them that WON'T be aware the kind of work that goes on there!

Truly shocking!

Neil@FastFord

Mental...pictures say lots! Sad times mate, and you are right, you should be allowed to share this story

StephenC

Jesus christ!!! It seems they know the YB very well but anything else gets bodged to hell and back?!

edit to say: with all that photo evidence of you clearly dismantling said engine there must be cause for a claim? No one could deny the shody workmanshipm there? Saying that, I suppose if you dont have the parts anymore it wouldnt be possible. Not sure, but for that ammount of cash Id be seriously fuming and commenting on every single thread I see their name on!!!
Then to think, your not the only person theyve done this to! Shocking.

**caz**

Im so glad to finally read that EP have been shown for what they are!!!!!!!!

Meant to be some great company that everyone on here raved about....but yet can't even get an engine build right....fill you with high hopes of what your going to get back...you think you have until your nearly home and your ringing them back to tell them there is a problem! They have no care or consideration for the cars that they have in there, as John said the S1 was near MINT!! No word of a lie! It came back with a marks and a few dings, and the black over spray ...that was just unbelieveable!!! Took me and John a complete day to get that off, it did look fantastic again after mind, but we shouldn't have had to have done it in the first place!!!!!!

When the car originally went for work...it was because the head gasket had gone, after one re-build, and as explained above was then taken to EP! Filled with broken promises and now empy wallet, for what i might add money down for nothing!!!! Luke had the car for months, he said he would do a guarantee on the engine after he inspected it, but when his guarantee didn't prove his inspection very well he then charges John for work that should never have been needed had his inspection picked up any issues!!

John, if you remember correctly when you went to drive north, got barely 60 mile, had to turn back cos your fuel was disappearing,you got back on closer inspection there was an issue with the fuel lines and the metering head unit, we were out int he dark messing around with fuel pissing out of it? correct me if im wrong of course!

Also when it left Medway the engine bay looked mint, ya had ya white rocker cover when it went in, didn't it come back with a black one? and a very looking out of place piece of metal to hold something on on the top? (sorry that sounds very vague im trying to remember myself)

^^^just another issue to add to the list! COWBOY's is being generous, i wouldn't take nothing to them! They should have been named and shamed a long time ago!

Rs Cosworth 1

Just after marc had done the engine, Then check the other link you'll see the sorry arse state it came back in, To add my S1 grill they broke the clips and then held it to the car via cable ties! Just another kick in the balls.

muz

When I read D4's report I did think, although an absolute hash of a job, there's two sides to every story, maybe some of the work he had done himself and blamed EP or maybe they were instructed to work to a budget, but after seeing Johns as well, it seems both engines are held togther with can gasket and a prayer.

And without sticking my tounge up Christians ass, he got a bit of stick when he said a genuine 300BHP was very hard to do properly, thats spec wasn't good enough etc and when the graphs came out was shot down as they had acheived it, then it held togther for all of 5 minutes then went bang....seems he was right afterall.

Rs Cosworth 1

Yeah caz i remember that night, Used Ł30 in fuel in 35mile, Pissing out flames outta the exhaust etc OVERFUELLING like a bitch!!!. Yet another (SET UP) not done right!! So many issues really is, !

**caz**

I know im trying to remember them all, and there was so many its proving difficult! I think your account and mine has pretty much covered them all! Anymore i remember i will add!

d4 rst

S1 john,
I have just read your story and must say it is reminissence of mine, like the silicon on the injectors, fuel lines and especially 'the gift of the gab' as this was what he fed me too and then saying exactly the same thing to bring it back and we will sort it out, but how could anyone believe that after such a bad job to begin with?

Neil@FastFord

Real nice there. The before and after of the bay side by side are pretty lame WTF is the hex-bar charge carrier "fasteners" all about as well....so much fail going on in that bay by the time it was "finished"....real shame....

Rs Cosworth 1

Exactly D4 so the last time,i broke the car as was BROKE my self. Spent nearly 11K in 6months after that was all time waiting for it to be fixed again and again!!.

Thank neil she was gorgeous,

One day i will have the money to have another RS,

**caz**

Thats what i meant above , Ive just looked back over the pics and noticed it wasn't the rocker cover that was a lovely white when it went to them and came back a shoddy black one it was the charge carrier, and yeh them fasteners....their work is just diabolical, when it was actually going on , ya just couldn't believe what you was hearing it was like a dream, if ya know what i mean!

morph

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Niel, surely we should be able to do something about these tuners?
Trading standards? or some authurity that can shut these people up for good?

Come on mate you must know some people out there that can put a stop to this going on.
All 3 of our cars
mine
s1 johns
d4's
all went there and came back fucked!
with all similar problems.
and no proper fix when returned to them.

Print it mate going on do it!