boost monster

My old Escort kept with a type R today (private road). I was pleased as it hasn't been set up since I rebuilt the engine last year and my turbo has done 145000 miles!!!

Oranoco

Should have blown his door's off. Was your handbrake on?

Seriously though, it's always nice being able to give modern quick cars a run for their money in an old motor

Herbo747

civic type r's are really a pumped up bag of rubbish. I should hope u did give it a run for its money! 200bhp and yet still standard 130 bhp ones stay with them its awesome!!!

Antti O

... But i bet type-r beats rst in all other things
But return to topic, genuine 180bhp rst will kick type-r ass in acceleration.

JamboRS

take the blinkers off,a type r wouldnt even need vtec to pump a std rst,takes around 180bhp to be on par with a type r and thats on the straights,throw in a corner and its all over for the rs,am an rs man thru and thru but for fuk sake can people not see past them

Oranoco

Err a little less finnese than I was going to put on it.... but, what he said

A CTR is not a slow car in the grand scheme of things and would demolish a stock RST no problem, especially if a corner came up.

morph

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standard type-r is as quick as a standard focus RS so does that mean there a bag of rubbish too?
you boyes who think your racing a car becuase you overtake it while its not even trying makes me laugh!

jamieRST

type rs are overhyped,was nearly taking chunks out of ones back bumper,uphill in a vw jetta gti 16v with 150bhp,he had far less torque

_SpeedX_

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i would of thought a standard rs would have no chance, a 180bhp 1 would be down to the driver of both.

ive had a play with a slightly modded CTR in my coupe and i annhilated that but then i was running 265bhp

matts1

Type R's may be low on torque, but they will make mince meet out of a standard RS turbo.

Just because you sit on the bumper of the car in front don't mean they were racing, or giving it full beans, most likely trying to make a bit of safe space between themselves and the person going to cause an accident behind.

I used to have 1.6 escort's and saxo's sitting on my tail to the extent I couldn't see their headlights - then they would scream it past with the engine hanging out with chumped up mates bouncing in the passenger seat scream "yeah yeah blizt you"

Oh my, yes you did, look at you go in that saxo - tis a flying machine to be true, that'll learn me!!

9/10 times I would be happier for them to get the fek past before they loose control and burry their car into mine.

Alps Pacino

the problem with type-r's and vtec motors are the drivers. Most people who drive them aint car enthusiasts and dont realise that you need to drop them 3 gears to get them on song and you need to keep the revs mega high to make them go.

rstel1

+1

rstel1

type r's are an awesome car out of the box, i work for honda and i have a series 2 running 180-190 bhp (genuine bhp not a chip and exhaust) and i will pull away in a straight line but if there a corners involed i have no chance. its not all about straight line speed its about the whole package, i love my fords but a type r is better than a series 2 in EVERY way apart from looks of course

lets face it guys if you put a modded series 2 up against a modded type r the type r will kill, bearing in mind you can strap a supercharger on a type r for 3k fitted and it will do 300bhp and 240lbft all day long.

again im a ford guy but type r's are a proper modern day hot hatch

Alps Pacino

to sum the argument up in 1990 honda were producing a 1.6 n/a engine that could rev to 8500rpm, made 150bhp and would do 200k miles reliably. Ford on the other hand were knocking out a 1.6 cvh with a turbo strapped to the side producing 130bhp that was unreliable

Who wins there?

JamboRS

i dont sugar coat my comments

my mates got a charged type r and its an awesome machine,really surprised me its pace,goes like diarrheao off a shovel and revs like fuk and he knows how to drive it

even breathing mods on the type r work well as the exhaust and inlet side are restrictive,type r gets the thumbs up from me

morph

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typer r does not need torque as it has the gearing to torque the car and once on song a 190 bhp corrado vr6 even struggles to put an impression on it let alone a 150bhp jetta.

orionmojo

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Because, lets face it, who buys a car on looks!

i do agree with you, my turbo cant handle for shit, and i've spent alot of money to get it... not alot better but thats a odd / daft statement surely!

boost monster

My car should have around 170-180 bhp but didn't think it was going that great, fun was in a straight line from 30 mph to an indicated 120mph, I've driven an integra type R and it felt quicker than my car.

fuzzy

isnt an integra more powerful than the civic? 218bhp or thereabouts? i thought the civic type r 54 plate felt twitchy and unstable at high speed.

jamieRST

vr6s are slow,so whats that got to do with it,and type rs are gutless until the vtec kicks in,didnt have shit on the torquey gti mfi engine,power straight away.

Alps Pacino

Isnt that like saying a 500bhp t4 equiped cossie is guttless until it hits boost ?

CRAIG HAYTER

i dont rate type r's at all my mate have a dc5 integra and i thought i was utter shite!!!you have to rev the fkn death to get the v-tec workinghis had a few mods i dont rate them at all!!!my other mate has a charged one and it doesnt come near the cossie trying to pull more than 300 bhp through the front wheels = wheels spin and i fell the same for any front wheel drive car as for an RS turbo yes a type r would waiste it!But a decent tuned turbo would beat a standard type r but the type r weighs more power to weight ratio plus the turbo on a RS turbo would come in before the v-tech.The focus RS is the new Rs turbo and that why it has more bhp and torque but as for the v-tech boys fk needing to revs your car to death to get about 2-3 rpm of v-tech powerif honda were to get the v-tech in before then it would be a diffrent story but as for now there shite
pure and simple!!!

rstel1

what do you meen odd/daft statment? im an rs boy but we have to face facts a civic type r in std form is FAR superior to an rst and will kill an rst2 round a track you would need a seriously modded rst to take a std type r out on a track. but then if you were to race a modded tyep r with coilovers ecu supercharger ect ect no chance. im not saying no rst could take out a type r im just saying that the type r is a far better car to drive. if my rs handled likea type r i would be ell chuffed.

and going back to the vetec kicking in argument, if you stick a hondata ecu on it it brings the v-tech in at 4.5k so makes it a lot more drivable.

rstel1

to be fair the dc-5 is the Heaviest type r ever made, and you can get the v tech in at 4-4500rpm buy fitting a hondata ecu, if you drove a dc 2 integra im sure you would have a different perspective on type r's. Also you cant compair a type r to a cossie there not in the same class a type r is a hot hatch stick a cossie up against a modded s2000 or nsx and see what happens. i know we are all die hard FORD fans but our chassis technoilogy is 20 years old, fair enough we can stick more power through our engines but its not all bout straight line speed unless you live in rome

Again i love my rst but a type r is a MUCH better car by far

orionmojo

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and i agree with you. what i meant was that you said it was a far superior car in everyway except looks. thats a pretty big sway factor to me when i buy a car. i have never bought a car on performance/ handling ability. i've got to like the look of it first. surely everyone does.

thats all i meant

Chris69

I've had a fair few dices with type-R's and have never been that impressed in a straight line.
A work collegue had one and we use to have a little race on regular occasions and i could stay with him no problems in quite a low spec rs turbo- he wasn't impressed when i said it was hardly tuned at all so yes he was racing (efi ofab running approx 10psi).
could almost stay with him on corners but i admit i am a bit more 'daring' shall we say than him lol
on the other hand another person in work has a 260bhp dc5 fully stripped out with serious money spent on the suspension and brakes and that is a weapon! i wouldn't get close in my rs-turbo specially not in the corners!, has a hondata remap so v-tec comes in nice and early aswell.

botters

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my rst running just shy of 200bhp dicks on my mates chipped type r all day long in a straight line and in the twistys but i think that is mainly down to his driving lol!
i have driven a few type r's and i must agree they are an impressive machine in the right hands

botters

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and as for people who say rsts dont handle i would agree in standard form or with konis etc.. but if like me you bin the standard lsd get an atb and coilovers properly set up and cornerweighted then tell me if they dont handle cus they stick like shit to a blanket then and all for around a grand if you buy well!

orionmojo

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Same as anything though. Didd you see the Top gear with Lewis hamilton in the "reasonably priced car"

he was driving one handed and smashed the record to bits Very impressive

Raj_FRST

I raced my mate who has a stock civic type r when I had my s2 rst, it was pretty high spec with 180 - 190 bhp, to be honest they were the same in a straight line but on the bends I was always getting outbraked and outhandles, mine had koni's with standard alloys, handled well considering its nearly 20yrs old in design. I think you need at least 230bhp to noticably crap on a type r in the straights and some seriously good brakes for the bends. just my opinion though so dont shoot me down in flames.lol

darrenb16two

I work for honda and i really like the civic type r. For me its my benchmark car, theres shed loads around and i love it when my H-reg escort keeps up with them

stevenebm

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well i cant fault my type r,tho i dont go racing things in it.thats what my s1 is for.i love the fact i know i can leave my car a week and go out and half a turn of the key and it starts.plus its not too shabby a car if you want to have a quick blast round the back roads.

CombatSapph

I'm always pleasantly suprised by cars that give my Westfield a run for it money.

Had new M3's, Aston Martin Vantage, numerous type-r's, Porches etc all eating dust or chewing on their back bumper.

Then last Sunday night I turned left into an NSL road and put my foot down. I was quite suprised to see the Jag behind me hardly dropping back at all. Got up to a respectable speed, lifted and the Jag sailed past me hardly making any noise at all! Get to the next junction and pull up behind it to notice the XJR badge, along with a Paramount badge on the opposite corner! Ah, makes much more sense now!

T28 RST

Relevant to S2 v Civic Type R

CombatSapph

I was commenting that you can't tell at first glance whether the car in front or behind will be able to keep up/get dropped.

I.e. I'm sure the type r driver didn't expect to have an S2 stuck to his bumper.

S h o u l d I t y p e s l o w e r f o r y o u s o y o u c a n k e e p u p ?

T28 RST

FestaRST

Maybe the Type R was poorly........... I saw a poorly one Sunday night on the M25. It was so poorly it was engulfed in flames and cremated itself. :-(

T28 RST

Maybe it was this one yous were racing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJYD1uWjzUI

Some of the replies on here are awesome

Oranoco

On the flip side in a straight line my chipped AEB Audi A4 isn't far off th epace of the local Type R's. They are quicker but it's only by a smidge. Must remember to take off th eorange flashing lamp bar and Highway Maintenance sticker next time though. got some right funny looks

rstel1

cool