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looking to getting a little more ponnies,, so nexxt job is managment,
so ive got 3 idears,,
1.stick with mfi (currently peaking 18/19 holding 15psi) dont no how much more i could get safely ?
2.have full efi convertion here,ofab, not really clued up on ofab but apparently i cant run high boost without custom chip ?
3.save up and get gotech mfi? proberly the best idear but to me its alot of money,
whats your opinion?
so ive got 3 idears,,
1.stick with mfi (currently peaking 18/19 holding 15psi) dont no how much more i could get safely ?
2.have full efi convertion here,ofab, not really clued up on ofab but apparently i cant run high boost without custom chip ?
3.save up and get gotech mfi? proberly the best idear but to me its alot of money,
whats your opinion?
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looking to getting a little more ponnies,, so nexxt job is managment,
so ive got 3 idears,,
1.stick with mfi (currently peaking 18/19 holding 15psi) dont no how much more i could get safely ?
2.have full efi convertion here,ofab, not really clued up on ofab but apparently i cant run high boost without custom chip ?
3.save up and get gotech mfi? proberly the best idear but to me its alot of money,
whats your opinion?
so ive got 3 idears,,
1.stick with mfi (currently peaking 18/19 holding 15psi) dont no how much more i could get safely ?
2.have full efi convertion here,ofab, not really clued up on ofab but apparently i cant run high boost without custom chip ?
3.save up and get gotech mfi? proberly the best idear but to me its alot of money,
whats your opinion?
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the ofab stuff uve got is a good shout,as msd in blackpool can map this and its not a million miles away
on the ther hand ava are closer but there management is extortionate
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that is a very good spec engine! could easily see 250bhp fromt that as long as the turbo can run the boost.
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defo say management next mate,but u need to think about it,where do u take ur car to get set up,what management can they map,no point buyin management that needs a 700mile round trip everytime u need it set up etc
the ofab stuff uve got is a good shout,as msd in blackpool can map this and its not a million miles away
on the ther hand ava are closer but there management is extortionate
the ofab stuff uve got is a good shout,as msd in blackpool can map this and its not a million miles away
on the ther hand ava are closer but there management is extortionate
not really wanting to travel to blackpool for mapping,,
used ava a few times for fuel checks ect, they seem real good like, not herd of them doing management ect ? ?
sitech is only 40miles from me and he does gotech, alreay spoke to him but its a lot of money to me to spend on the car cause ive already thrown a fortune at it,,
would be more than happy with a reliable 200ATW power whitch i think is possible with my current setup,
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and your only running 18psi? man PM me and i will give you a tuner that wont charge the earth to have indepanadant management fitted and mapped with a standalone ecu like gotech or omex.
that is a very good spec engine! could easily see 250bhp fromt that as long as the turbo can run the boost.
that is a very good spec engine! could easily see 250bhp fromt that as long as the turbo can run the boost.
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sitech are a good shout mate, spoke to him a few times and if i was closer i would use him but im in essex so its the other side of the country to me.
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and your only running 18psi? man PM me and i will give you a tuner that wont charge the earth to have indepanadant management fitted and mapped with a standalone ecu like gotech or omex.
that is a very good spec engine! could easily see 250bhp fromt that as long as the turbo can run the boost.
that is a very good spec engine! could easily see 250bhp fromt that as long as the turbo can run the boost.
bigrst with that spec id expect to see not far off 200atw,its virtually same spec as mine and i made 214atw,get along to ava and tell alan ur wantin 200@wheels,maybe need MH modified for more fuel
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but cossie management involves using all old parts,sensors etc.be better off going for the standalone management,as its all brand new.thats also my plan although i cant decide on which one to choose. Gotech involves loads of travelling for me,and there arent very many tuners where i am and the ones that are about have a real bad rep,not sure whether to get omex,emerald,Megasquirt,or DTA. I do like the look of the DTAs though lots of features.
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t34 too big for a 1.6 imo,would drive like a dog off boost and when on boost would spin the wheels for the whole 2.5k power band,stg 3 t3 is perfect for a 1.6 and his spec
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with turbos it all depends on whether you want top end power,or punch.Imo a T34 is a bit big,and i agree with jambo,it would drive bad of boost.
dont see why everyone has a thing for huge turbos,im going smaller than my t3,for power through the whole rev range
dont see why everyone has a thing for huge turbos,im going smaller than my t3,for power through the whole rev range
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Sorry but I've never understood this concept of Cosworth Management being a problem when using old sensors and parts. I myself have used parts off cossies but im sure NMS do a complete conversion with all new parts etc which would be just as good as a standalone mangement system.
I personally dont see the issue with sensors etc as if they were running perfect on a cossie why should they be any different on a series 2!!!
I personally dont see the issue with sensors etc as if they were running perfect on a cossie why should they be any different on a series 2!!!
but cossie management involves using all old parts,sensors etc.be better off going for the standalone management,as its all brand new.thats also my plan although i cant decide on which one to choose. Gotech involves loads of travelling for me,and there arent very many tuners where i am and the ones that are about have a real bad rep,not sure whether to get omex,emerald,Megasquirt,or DTA. I do like the look of the DTAs though lots of features.
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I think you are very under estimating the spec of the engine that you already have. With the right tuner you will see serious power and drivability.
I had many different incarnations of engine on my rs turbo. Some may remember my car. But for the doubters I could show a few pics that would make a few jaws drop at the spec
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what about the shitty 2.5krpm power band
then we're talkin uprated gearbox,all for what to brag about figs down the pub,a stg 3 t3 will be a better road car and be quicker on the road than a t34'd 300bhp rst imo
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I stand corrected cliff,been on the site,£195 a pair,although doesnt say whether theyre in stock,
powerband?are u talking about having no boost till 5k jambo? if so i agree.why just have a sudden surge of power,surely less of a oomph but power delivered from a smaller turbo throughout the whole range from 2k,would perform better and be a more quicker driveable RS turbo?just my opinion
powerband?are u talking about having no boost till 5k jambo? if so i agree.why just have a sudden surge of power,surely less of a oomph but power delivered from a smaller turbo throughout the whole range from 2k,would perform better and be a more quicker driveable RS turbo?just my opinion
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I stand corrected cliff,been on the site,£195 a pair,although doesnt say whether theyre in stock,
powerband?are u talking about having no boost till 5k jambo? if so i agree.why just have a sudden surge of power,surely less of a oomph but power delivered from a smaller turbo throughout the whole range from 2k,would perform better and be a more quicker driveable RS turbo?just my opinion
powerband?are u talking about having no boost till 5k jambo? if so i agree.why just have a sudden surge of power,surely less of a oomph but power delivered from a smaller turbo throughout the whole range from 2k,would perform better and be a more quicker driveable RS turbo?just my opinion
i had similar spec to this bar the steel rods and was on a stg 3 t3 and had full boost by 3k rpm and was great to drive on the road,good low dwn power and plenty top end,perfect imo
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I agree with JamboRST a Stage 3 T34 would be horrible on a 1.6, a stage 3 T3 would be much better suited to make the most drivable power out of that spec engine and even they are a bit laggy for my liking! Hitting peek boost at 4000rpm and then reving out at 6400 is pointless, you get about 3 seconds before you have to change gear again.
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TBH unless you have big money for suspension, gearbox, brakes, etc... i'd just go for around 200ATW with as smaller turbo as possible and whatever managemant your nearest reputable tuner is most familiar with.
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jambo my standard t3 with -31 actuator boosts up at just past 2k,all the way through the range,i love it,as soon as i change gear its on boost again and feels like it just wants to be regged lol.
exactly the reason im going for a T25BB
exactly the reason im going for a T25BB
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being a zetec i dnt see where the similarities are
out of interest when do u see full boost and whats the powerband like,post a graph,would be interestin seein the area under the graph,not just the top end power,anyone else on a t34'd 1.6 can post a graph aswell to see the a.u.g
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I agree with JamboRST a Stage 3 T34 would be horrible on a 1.6, a stage 3 T3 would be much better suited to make the most drivable power out of that spec engine and even they are a bit laggy for my liking! Hitting peek boost at 4000rpm and then reving out at 6400 is pointless, you get about 3 seconds before you have to change gear again.
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TBH unless you have big money for suspension, gearbox, brakes, etc... i'd just go for around 200ATW with as smaller turbo as possible and whatever managemant your nearest reputable tuner is most familiar with.
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jokin mate,200@wheels with suspension/brakes sorted is a perfect road car IMO
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but cossie management involves using all old parts,sensors etc.be better off going for the standalone management,as its all brand new.thats also my plan although i cant decide on which one to choose. Gotech involves loads of travelling for me,and there arent very many tuners where i am and the ones that are about have a real bad rep,not sure whether to get omex,emerald,Megasquirt,or DTA. I do like the look of the DTAs though lots of features.
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I agree with JamboRST a Stage 3 T34 would be horrible on a 1.6, a stage 3 T3 would be much better suited to make the most drivable power out of that spec engine and even they are a bit laggy for my liking! Hitting peek boost at 4000rpm and then reving out at 6400 is pointless, you get about 3 seconds before you have to change gear again.
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TBH unless you have big money for suspension, gearbox, brakes, etc... i'd just go for around 200ATW with as smaller turbo as possible and whatever managemant your nearest reputable tuner is most familiar with.
who said i dont have good suspension and brakes ?
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Also you said you'd need to save up for gotech MFI which is about £400 so I assumed you'd not got much money floating around right now and so buying big spec gearbox, suspension etc if you didnt already have them was an important factor to consider, just trying to be helpful mate.
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Also you said you'd need to save up for gotech MFI which is about £400 so I assumed you'd not got much money floating around right now and so buying big spec gearbox, suspension etc if you didnt already have them was an important factor to consider, just trying to be helpful mate.
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BSTUFF with DTA you can use lucas sensors,and a bosch lambda sensor.
I thought tim,ollie etc were going for top speed runs where drivability doesnt matter as youre always in the top of the rev range.its a known fact if tou have a massive turbo,your car will drive like shit of boost.driving around town would u want to wait til 4-5k till you get boost,and get dicked by slower cars?i dont so small turbos my choice
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I thought tim,ollie etc were going for top speed runs where drivability doesnt matter as youre always in the top of the rev range.its a known fact if tou have a massive turbo,your car will drive like shit of boost.driving around town would u want to wait til 4-5k till you get boost,and get dicked by slower cars?i dont so small turbos my choice
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Why o why do people still say the cossie management uses old stuff?? you can get New, air temp sensors, coolant sensors, throttle sensors, map sensors, ignition amps, injectors, cam sensors, crank sensors and looms! the only old part is the ecu, but uses a new chip and pectel board!
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christians got a vid on youtube with the t34'd 1.6 vs garys evo,its as laggy as a truck turbo on lawnmower