B1G_RST

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looking to getting a little more ponnies,, so nexxt job is managment,

so ive got 3 idears,,

1.stick with mfi (currently peaking 18/19 holding 15psi) dont no how much more i could get safely ?

2.have full efi convertion here,ofab, not really clued up on ofab but apparently i cant run high boost without custom chip ?

3.save up and get gotech mfi? proberly the best idear but to me its alot of money,

whats your opinion?

Stu @ Claims Care Centre

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go emerald

JamboRS

whats ur spec just now??

B1G_RST

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+1.5mm wire rung cvh bottom end with accalite pistons burton steel rods, balaced crank, head newman cam,dbl valve springs, slight ported stage 3 t3 turbo, full cooler, custom inlet(not yet fitted)
thats prity much the spec of engine just now

JamboRS

defo say management next mate,but u need to think about it,where do u take ur car to get set up,what management can they map,no point buyin management that needs a 700mile round trip everytime u need it set up etc

the ofab stuff uve got is a good shout,as msd in blackpool can map this and its not a million miles away
on the ther hand ava are closer but there management is extortionate

morph

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and your only running 18psi? man PM me and i will give you a tuner that wont charge the earth to have indepanadant management fitted and mapped with a standalone ecu like gotech or omex.
that is a very good spec engine! could easily see 250bhp fromt that as long as the turbo can run the boost.

B1G_RST

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not really wanting to travel to blackpool for mapping,,

used ava a few times for fuel checks ect, they seem real good like, not herd of them doing management ect ? ?

sitech is only 40miles from me and he does gotech, alreay spoke to him but its a lot of money to me to spend on the car cause ive already thrown a fortune at it,,

would be more than happy with a reliable 200ATW power whitch i think is possible with my current setup,

cheers

B1G_RST

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dont no what the car will fuel for past 18pund, dont want to melt a piston ect, looking for arount the 200ATW power,

rstel1

sitech are a good shout mate, spoke to him a few times and if i was closer i would use him but im in essex so its the other side of the country to me.

JamboRS

do u knw what boost is???more boost doesnt always mean more power

bigrst with that spec id expect to see not far off 200atw,its virtually same spec as mine and i made 214atw,get along to ava and tell alan ur wantin 200@wheels,maybe need MH modified for more fuel

B1G_RST

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you think i could make it a reliable 200brake ? do they still do the mh mod ?

JokerDisco

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Cossie Managment will give you a reliable 200bhp all day long. Loads of Tuners aboutand you can fit it yourself - piece of piss

jamieRST

but cossie management involves using all old parts,sensors etc.be better off going for the standalone management,as its all brand new.thats also my plan although i cant decide on which one to choose. Gotech involves loads of travelling for me,and there arent very many tuners where i am and the ones that are about have a real bad rep,not sure whether to get omex,emerald,Megasquirt,or DTA. I do like the look of the DTAs though lots of features.

jamie
https://passionford.com/forum/restor...2-project.html

CliffRS4

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With that spec of an engine you would be mad not to put a Stage 3 T34 on with a .63 housing and Cossie Management.

You probably see near on 300 bhp.

It'd be a waste of an engine if you didn't do the above

JamboRS

t34 too big for a 1.6 imo,would drive like a dog off boost and when on boost would spin the wheels for the whole 2.5k power band,stg 3 t3 is perfect for a 1.6 and his spec

CliffRS4

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I disagree. The T34 is perfect. A set of adjustable tca's works wonders and doesn't cost the earth

jamieRST

with turbos it all depends on whether you want top end power,or punch.Imo a T34 is a bit big,and i agree with jambo,it would drive bad of boost.
dont see why everyone has a thing for huge turbos,im going smaller than my t3,for power through the whole rev range

jamieRST

though adjustable tcas for s2s were uber rare.unless you know where to get em of the shelf cliff?obviously i could be wrong

B1G_RST

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surley 300bhp is not possible on a 1600 ?

jamieRST

yes christian and beccy run 350bhp,lots of modding though

JokerDisco

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Sorry but I've never understood this concept of Cosworth Management being a problem when using old sensors and parts. I myself have used parts off cossies but im sure NMS do a complete conversion with all new parts etc which would be just as good as a standalone mangement system.

I personally dont see the issue with sensors etc as if they were running perfect on a cossie why should they be any different on a series 2!!!

CliffRS4

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The best place to get them from is Mef Motorsport. They were about £150 ish if I remember rightly. This is a must mod for an rs turbo. Make sure you get them set up once fitted. These will seriously improve your traction.

CliffRS4

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I think you are very under estimating the spec of the engine that you already have. With the right tuner you will see serious power and drivability.

I had many different incarnations of engine on my rs turbo. Some may remember my car. But for the doubters I could show a few pics that would make a few jaws drop at the spec

JamboRS

that would sort the wheelspin
what about the shitty 2.5krpm power band
then we're talkin uprated gearbox,all for what to brag about figs down the pub,a stg 3 t3 will be a better road car and be quicker on the road than a t34'd 300bhp rst imo

jamieRST

I stand corrected cliff,been on the site,£195 a pair,although doesnt say whether theyre in stock,

powerband?are u talking about having no boost till 5k jambo? if so i agree.why just have a sudden surge of power,surely less of a oomph but power delivered from a smaller turbo throughout the whole range from 2k,would perform better and be a more quicker driveable RS turbo?just my opinion

CliffRS4

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See me I haven't got a clue what I'm talking about when it comes to rs turbo's



















It must be so hard knowing everything

JamboRS

yeah mate,it be nothin till 4k then a sudden rush of power then change gear nothin again,u should fit the smallest turbo u can get away with,not the biggest
i had similar spec to this bar the steel rods and was on a stg 3 t3 and had full boost by 3k rpm and was great to drive on the road,good low dwn power and plenty top end,perfect imo

jamieRST

looks very nice zetec turbo cliff.

Karlos G

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I agree with JamboRST a Stage 3 T34 would be horrible on a 1.6, a stage 3 T3 would be much better suited to make the most drivable power out of that spec engine and even they are a bit laggy for my liking! Hitting peek boost at 4000rpm and then reving out at 6400 is pointless, you get about 3 seconds before you have to change gear again.

TBH unless you have big money for suspension, gearbox, brakes, etc... i'd just go for around 200ATW with as smaller turbo as possible and whatever managemant your nearest reputable tuner is most familiar with.

jamieRST

jambo my standard t3 with -31 actuator boosts up at just past 2k,all the way through the range,i love it,as soon as i change gear its on boost again and feels like it just wants to be regged lol.
exactly the reason im going for a T25BB

JamboRS

nice car,lot of money spent there,must be great havin money to blow

being a zetec i dnt see where the similarities are
out of interest when do u see full boost and whats the powerband like,post a graph,would be interestin seein the area under the graph,not just the top end power,anyone else on a t34'd 1.6 can post a graph aswell to see the a.u.g

JamboRS

never thought id say this,this man talks sense
jokin mate,200@wheels with suspension/brakes sorted is a perfect road car IMO

Karlos G

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PMSL
Thanks Jambo!

Thats what i'm hoping for on Saturday or as close as I can get to it with a Stage 2 T3 anyway.

bstuff

the ecus are used part the all sensors are brand new weber items, if you went to fit omex or dta for instance what sensors do they run weber.

B1G_RST

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who said i dont have good suspension and brakes ?

bstuff

what about tim, ollie meredith, MK, tony turbo and christian all 1600 with t34 christian even put gt30 on his

Karlos G

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No one mate, just pointing out you'll need them so you didnt go for 300bhp and end up putting yourself into a wall or something cos the rest of the car wasnt up to the job!

Also you said you'd need to save up for gotech MFI which is about £400 so I assumed you'd not got much money floating around right now and so buying big spec gearbox, suspension etc if you didnt already have them was an important factor to consider, just trying to be helpful mate.

jamieRST

BSTUFF with DTA you can use lucas sensors,and a bosch lambda sensor.
I thought tim,ollie etc were going for top speed runs where drivability doesnt matter as youre always in the top of the rev range.its a known fact if tou have a massive turbo,your car will drive like shit of boost.driving around town would u want to wait til 4-5k till you get boost,and get dicked by slower cars?i dont so small turbos my choice
jamie

Gadget

Why o why do people still say the cossie management uses old stuff?? you can get New, air temp sensors, coolant sensors, throttle sensors, map sensors, ignition amps, injectors, cam sensors, crank sensors and looms! the only old part is the ecu, but uses a new chip and pectel board!

JamboRS

totally different mate,they run different inlet/exhaust manifolds and have different characteristics,there goin for all out power not driveability,do any of them use them as a daily driver or even regular,there built for a purpose,to compete
christians got a vid on youtube with the t34'd 1.6 vs garys evo,its as laggy as a truck turbo on lawnmower