Dex-Man

Hi guys, any help with this would be appreciated. Iv jus bought a second hand engine which went into me rs last week, it starts on the button each time and sounds fine when ticking over but theres a little bit of smoke but this becomes pretty bad once you rev the engine, theres also a slight knock which sounds like its comin from just under the rockercover. iv had 2 different friends have a quick look at it and one is sayin he thinks its the headgasket and the other is saying he thinks the bottom end is on its way out, any ideas?

©hatter Box

you can never tell unless you see it for your self. get some who knows about them to have a look where about are you?

Butchi

I notice the same yesterday in my car. I slight ticking and missfire. The car jumps badly in low speed.

I checked the oil. Creame color on the oil stick. Is that water in the oil? I checked the oil because I thought the oil was low because of the ticking noice under the rocker cover. But its not ticking all the time. It comes and goes.

Do we have the same problem? A bad headgasket?

BR Butchi

Karlos G

iTrader: (4)

Oh dear mate! Your headgasket has gone proper!! Ticking is probably lifters not openening fully cos the oil is full of water!!

RSTurboSI

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as above, dont go cheap on the headgaskit mate or you'll end up with just the same problem. remove the zorst mainfold and rocker cover and remove the head bults but right down each one 1-to what ever and place the head bults next to each one writen down on ur paper. making sure they all go back in the same place as taken out. remove the head with the turbo still on easyer that way. and replace the headgaskit, refit the head putting the bults in the same as taken out but toquring(sp) them up. i would remove the sump and check ur bottem end and clean it up. replace that and flush the engine oil + water and replace the oil+water and all done. 1days work max! or if u know someone 3hurs work if that..

Dex-Man

Im in essex, 2 of my mates are both mechanics, but i asked the both of them if they want the work and i dont think they can be bothered, they only had a quick look at it and both think its different problems, car is also sorn so i cant even drive it to a garage lol.

Butchi

Thanks for your answeres mates. I think to its the headgasket. One thing though. If we say its not the headgasket, can it be the turbo thats fucked up or can it be the head that has a crack in it?

Is it commen that the headgasket brakes? And if its commen, way does it brake?

BR Butchi

levelup

is really useful for me

RSTurboSI

iTrader: (1)

Yes its commen on everycar nowdays,
The Gaskgit is under alot of pressure due to the turbo.
wont be ur turbo or a crack in the head.
Infact looking above!

The guy maybe wrong. cant be sure untill u check.

Escort RSTurbos Have no cat which = to the white smoke.

Have you even checked the oil filler cap for mikly oil? Dipsick,

Mine smokes alot and its had a brand new £70 gaskit about 2000 miles ago and mine taps a bit, As the tappits need ajusting thats why.

White smoke is shit without the mikly oil as they run without a cat and in this cold it looks bad, Mine normaly runs on tick over white smoke but when driven for a bit its fine, thats because no cat. and it being so cold with condensation(sp)

Drop me a pm if u need some help, i can try over msn for you.

B16CVH

"remove the head bults but right down each one 1-to what ever and place the head bults next to each one writen down on ur paper. making sure they all go back in the same place as taken out"

Whatever you do dont do this, if they are stretch bolts you can only use them ONCE!!!!! You can only re-use the ARP stud & Nut kit. Get a new set of strtch bolts if thats what you are using!

Karlos G

iTrader: (4)

Oh my god!! I've never heard such bad advice in all my life!!!!!!!

1: DO NOT REUSE THE HEAD BOLTS THEY WILL SNAP!!!!
2:"Escort RSTurbos Have no cat which = to the white smoke." WTF are you talking about?? Condensation for the first 5 mins, YES! White smoke any other time and your burning water! (well actually its not smoke at all but steam!). Head Gasket or at worst a cracked head!
3:"Tappets need ADJUSTING??!!" They are hydraulic mate which means they are NOT adjustable!! If it's tapping then the Cam/Lifters are worn! (common CVH problem), or your oil is shitted or you have no oil!!
4:Creamy dipstick and creamy oil is 100% headgasket or cracked head, how else does water get in the oil?!

ghigo

i would also change your thermostat mate as they aint expensive and would be well worth doing if your sticking a hg onit, i would also give the rest of the cooling system a good check over water pump etc cos although your fault is poss hg you gota look at why it went, alot o the time cooling fault, get someone to check the head if its warped aswell
Also well said karlos g and b16cvh as a mechanic ive never heard such trollop eithier lol,
gd luck mate keep us posted

RSTurboSI

iTrader: (1)

You make me laugh!

has he stated that there is water in the oil ? No! to which you didnt even reply just, ur head gaskit has gone! And ive given bad advice!
They run with no cat and smoke a fair bit, to where this would stop after a 5-10min time.

Of course you can adjust them! Its a CVH head for god sake.. You please tell me why as unless there Solid lifters then yeah you cant.

And it all deppends on what head Bults hes useing! To which then he would state!

Me giving bad advice is just as good as ur's!


you reply with just the same on everyother topic! First answer isnt always the fucking right one!

JK99

I think he's got you here mate.

CVHs in standard form have hydraulic tappets (non-adjustable). From my failry limited knowledge, you adjust solids to suit clearances etc.

And please stop refering to it as smoke on start up - it makes it sounds so much worse. It's just a build up of water / condensation. No cat isn't the major factor, the stainless exhaust encourages it.

The issue sounds very like HG failure and the ticking will probably be from the water filling the tappets/lifters.

Whip the head off and get it checked out. I was lucky with my 1900CVH as the HG let go and when I put it away for a skim, it turned out the collets were loose on the exh valves. About 200 miles from dropping a valve. HG failure can sometimes be a blessing in disguise.

Oh yeah, and please don't try to re-use your standard head bolts!!

JK

Daveysaff

iTrader: (9)

As said above, any light knocking for the top end is likely to be cam/tappet wear. Good excuse to upgrade?
White smoke to me says HG, and tbh for the cost of a new Headgasket set, cambelt, thermostat and new bolts I'd do the job anyway just for peace of mind

Karlos G

iTrader: (4)

"CVHs in standard form have hydraulic tappets (non-adjustable)."
"No cat isn't the major factor"
"ticking will probably be from the water filling the tappets/lifters"
"knocking for the top end is likely to be cam/tappet wear"
"please don't try to re-use your standard head bolts!!"
"White smoke to me says HG"

All as i said above!

No the first answer isnt always the right one but in this case i'm 99.9% sure it is!

RSTURBOSI I'm not having a go at you but I think your knowledge of the CVH engine is a little off mate, i'd love to see you try and adjust a hydraulic lifter!

finally... thanks ghigo
"well said karlos g and b16cvh as a mechanic ive never heard such trollop eithier lol, "