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Old 17-02-2007 | 11:52 PM
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I finally took my dv off. it drives 1000 times better. I get sum good chatter too. will it chatter with more psi?
Old 18-02-2007 | 12:15 AM
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will it chatter with more psi
yes mate im running 17psi with a cone filter

the chatter is quite loud

the car seens to run a lot better as well



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dump valves belong to the corsa boys and all that jap crap scene
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Another RST owner that has seen the light and realised dump valves are rubbish on them
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I'm hearing a lot of people say that they run better without dump valves, but what about all that pressure building up back to the turbo then?
I'm running about 16psi and would like to see how she runs without the D/V but dont want to batter my turbo!

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Karlos G, unless you've got a T4 sized turbo running loads of boost i.e. 25ish+psi, I wouldnt worry about 16psi
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Another RST owner that has seen the light and realised dump valves are rubbish on them
Cue the Pro DV Brigade
Old 19-02-2007 | 02:38 PM
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Why do cosworths run a DV from standard then even though they are running standard boost. To me it makes sense to use one wether its a recirculating one so you don't get the noise or a normal one.
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i have a dumpvalve on mine (plz dont hurt me) and am going to be fitting a front mount intercooler and stg 2 hybrid turbo, what difference will i notice without a dumpvalve compared to with a dump valve???? this is a serious question plz no silly answers lol
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You won't notice any difference but in my opinion your turbo will last longer as you are avoiding turbo stall (chatter) therefore taking some of the strain off the internal components of the turbo which can only be a good thing.
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will mine chatter if i take the dumpvalve off im on mfi 214bhp@16psi, i heard it only works on efi this true?
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When I first did the rst conversion on my cabbie mine used to chatter like mad with MFi with the boost only set at 10psi. It seems to vary from car to car. With MFi the flap on the metering head closes as soon as you take your foot off the throttle so chatter can't be heard. Chatter is turbo stall which can't be good for a turbo long term (in my opinion anyway).
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Originally Posted by davidnormanuk
Why do cosworths run a DV from standard then even though they are running standard boost. To me it makes sense to use one wether its a recirculating one so you don't get the noise or a normal one.
because they use MAF sensors, and without the dump valve, the charge travels back down the wrong way causing it to come off the throttle very abruptly.

The MAF sensor senses air flow, but not in which direction it flows. Same story with all forced induction cars with MAF sensors
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Cool didn't know that. You seem to know alot about all the different systems out there.
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Cool didn't know that. You seem to know alot about all the different systems out there.
Don't be fooled by what i write, there are far more knowledgable people than me!

I tend to ask a lot of questions and remember a lot
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Best way. Its just finding the right people who have the time to answer.
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I know that feeling, when i ask a question its quite rare to get a constructive answer.

But then i dont ask many questions on here, when i do they are usually fairly involved
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I'll remember in future then if I need to know what goes where and why to ask you on here.
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david mate I have told you what Safechav has everytime the dumpvalve debate comes up and now you start listening when somebody else tells you for the X'th time

Incidentally it's only the small turbo Escort Cosworth that runs the MAF.
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I didn't know then the sierra ran a dump valve/recirculation valve as standard as I am only just learning about them. Obviously they put it on there for a reason but I didn't know why. May aswell learn something while I'm on here. Surely avoiding turbo stall can only be a good thing.
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Originally Posted by Oranoco
Incidentally it's only the small turbo Escort Cosworth that runs the MAF.
Sorry mate did you say something

Ill ask David






















And btw i knew that about the small turbo Escos's HONEST
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Originally Posted by SafeChav
Originally Posted by davidnormanuk
Why do cosworths run a DV from standard then even though they are running standard boost. To me it makes sense to use one wether its a recirculating one so you don't get the noise or a normal one.
because they use MAF sensors, and without the dump valve, the charge travels back down the wrong way causing it to come off the throttle very abruptly.

The MAF sensor senses air flow, but not in which direction it flows. Same story with all forced induction cars with MAF sensors

Only the T25 Escort cosworth using fords EEC-IV management system has a MAF sensor, no other cosworth does...hence why it will run with no boost hoses connected.


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Urgh, Oranoco beat me to it
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Originally Posted by SafeChav
Originally Posted by davidnormanuk
Why do cosworths run a DV from standard then even though they are running standard boost. To me it makes sense to use one wether its a recirculating one so you don't get the noise or a normal one.
because they use MAF sensors, and without the dump valve, the charge travels back down the wrong way causing it to come off the throttle very abruptly.

The MAF sensor senses air flow, but not in which direction it flows. Same story with all forced induction cars with MAF sensors

Only the T25 Escort cosworth using fords EEC-IV management system has a MAF sensor, no other cosworth does...hence why it will run with no boost hoses connected.


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Urgh, Oranoco beat me to it
I've already been corrected on that

Do the large turbo Escos's have the re-circulating DV?
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Yea they sure do.
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Ah fair do's then.

Are the rest MAP sensors presumably then (i know little about cossies as i said to you before )
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Yes cossies do run map sensors. all siera/sapph cossies std run a 2bar map sensor, large turbo escos runs a 2.5bar map sensor std
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Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
Yes cossies do run map sensors. all siera/sapph cossies std run a 2bar map sensor, large turbo escos runs a 2.5bar map sensor std
stupid question there by me i actually already knew that
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DV heard that it will:
release the pressure. the chatter sound is the turbo breaking up...
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Alex_86, You started off well in English..then it went to pot and you lost every single one of us
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hehe, will translate it later today mate.. was on work so it was easier to wright in norwagian
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Alex_86, You started off well in English..then it went to pot and you lost every single one of us
Thats rich coming from you scotty boy

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Originally Posted by davidnormanuk
You won't notice any difference but in my opinion your turbo will last longer as you are avoiding turbo stall (chatter) therefore taking some of the strain off the internal components of the turbo which can only be a good thing.
Never been proven on an RST that a D/V will help a turbo last longer. None of the race cars used d/v's..altho they did get meticulously maintained and serviced/ stripped down often.

There's a thread on this just about every week and I'm pretty sure it's widely perceived that unless you are running big power and big boost then you do not need a d/v fitted and will still have a mechanically-sound turbo with no problems.

I used to have one on my S2 and it ran with no problems at all. I removed it when I sold it..and again it ran exactly the same with no problems.
My S1 runs without one and has slightly more power and chatters a bit top end of boost. The S2 never. Both ran same MFI. some cars do, some don't.

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Took mine off the cossie and it lasted 2 days before the turbo shat itself, was only a T3 and stage 3 chip, not sure if it was just coincidence or not. I'd still do it again tho.
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