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Old 19-12-2006, 05:20 PM
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one with det isnt a CVH?











Old 19-12-2006, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MD Cos
Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
My engine went bang because of a shonky fucking Cometic head gasket. GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT.
i'm probably going to get grilled for this, but nobody else has seemed to dare to say anything about it. you blame the 'shonky' gasket, but nobody else has seemed to have any real problems with the new type

sorry to point the finger, and please correct me if i'm wrong, but it dosen't look like the head face was skimmed at all, let alone to the 50ra (i think it's 50...?) or finer that it should be when fitting a cometic gasket.

it dosent matter wether or not the head is straight or not, it must be skimmed for the metal gasket to seal properly. attacking it with some 80 grit emery isn't going to do it.

as i said, please correct me if i am wrong, but thats just the way the pictures look to me.
ok here goes,
a cosmetic head gasket is made for a high pwered cvh yes,, but a reasonably high powered Cvh is around the 280bhp markish,, but where has christian has such a big spec his cvh has made 351bhp and has broke the record of the worlds fastest 1600cvh i think..lol.. so obviusly the head gasket cant have been proven to handle higher as there aint a higher powered 1600cvh is there? obviously christian has proved that cosmetic cvh gaskets wont hadle 351bhp.. lol..
but i aint no engineer or anything but this maybe wrong,
i apologise if it is.
Old 20-12-2006, 09:34 PM
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[quote="Noisy Boy"]one with det isnt a CVH?



nope not a cvh. think it's a cosworth yb.
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Originally Posted by davsmith64
Originally Posted by MD Cos
Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
My engine went bang because of a shonky fucking Cometic head gasket. GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT.
i'm probably going to get grilled for this, but nobody else has seemed to dare to say anything about it. you blame the 'shonky' gasket, but nobody else has seemed to have any real problems with the new type

sorry to point the finger, and please correct me if i'm wrong, but it dosen't look like the head face was skimmed at all, let alone to the 50ra (i think it's 50...?) or finer that it should be when fitting a cometic gasket.

it dosent matter wether or not the head is straight or not, it must be skimmed for the metal gasket to seal properly. attacking it with some 80 grit emery isn't going to do it.

as i said, please correct me if i am wrong, but thats just the way the pictures look to me.
ok here goes,
a cosmetic head gasket is made for a high pwered cvh yes,, but a reasonably high powered Cvh is around the 280bhp markish,, but where has christian has such a big spec his cvh has made 351bhp and has broke the record of the worlds fastest 1600cvh i think..lol.. so obviusly the head gasket cant have been proven to handle higher as there aint a higher powered 1600cvh is there? obviously christian has proved that cosmetic cvh gaskets wont hadle 351bhp.. lol..
but i aint no engineer or anything but this maybe wrong,
i apologise if it is.
a cometic gasket for a cvh is made in exactly the same way and out of the same material that a cometic gasket for a YB or any other engine is made. i've seen plenty of cometic gaskets on plenty of other vehicles handle that level of boost and more with alot more power.

btw, whats a 'cosmetic' gasket?
Old 20-12-2006, 10:00 PM
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One that looks good!!!
Old 21-12-2006, 01:32 PM
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Good job no one from Peter Carter Ruck will ever read this thread.
Old 21-12-2006, 01:45 PM
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Old 21-12-2006, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ivorbiggun
Good job no one from Peter Carter Ruck will ever read this thread.
Who is that then??
Old 21-12-2006, 02:22 PM
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Old 21-12-2006, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ivorbiggun
Good job no one from Peter Carter Ruck will ever read this thread.
Aint he/was a lawyer so what the fuck has he got to do with this thread
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Originally Posted by antony215
Originally Posted by ivorbiggun
Good job no one from Peter Carter Ruck will ever read this thread.
Aint he/was a lawyer so what the fuck has he got to do with this thread
That's what I thought.

He was a guy whose company specialised in Libel and Slander cases by the looks of it.
Old 21-12-2006, 07:11 PM
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Lots of people have had cometic gaskets fail on the YB.

A CVH isn't a YB though, it's a CVH and hence places different demands on the gasket.
Old 21-12-2006, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MD Cos

it dosent matter wether or not the head is straight or not, it must be skimmed for the metal gasket to seal properly. attacking it with some 80 grit emery isn't going to do it.
Old 21-12-2006, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick
Lots of people have had cometic gaskets fail on the YB.

A CVH isn't a YB though, it's a CVH and hence places different demands on the gasket.

Yes, Some people get on with them, some dont.

i believe it to be the way they are fitted, if not done correctly, they do fail.


my cossie has always run one, with out fail.
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Originally Posted by Fiecos Dan
Originally Posted by Rick
Lots of people have had cometic gaskets fail on the YB.

A CVH isn't a YB though, it's a CVH and hence places different demands on the gasket.

Yes, Some people get on with them, some dont.

i believe it to be the way they are fitted, if not done correctly, they do fail.


my cossie has always run one, with out fail.
True. Similarly, in any other circle of tuning, if you told them that you were running a standard head gasket at more than double the factory BHP and 4 times as much boost they would laugh at you.
Old 22-12-2006, 12:28 AM
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why not just wire ring the block like they do on high power yb's and use the standard ford gasket
Old 22-12-2006, 10:27 AM
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the std gasket is properly made though. Ford developed it with turbo charging in mind, including competition use. It's a far cry from a 3i gasket.
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Originally Posted by Rick
Lots of people have had cometic gaskets fail on the YB.

A CVH isn't a YB though, it's a CVH and hence places different demands on the gasket.
indeed, many people have had gaskets fail on cossies, the old ones used to fail if they weren't fitted 100% correctly, the new ones fail usually because of either poor fitment, or people not doing their ARP stud and nuts up properly

i'm not saying a CVH is a YB, but i am saying that cometic know what they're doing when they design a gasket.
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believe it or not a standard ford cvh turbo head gasket looks a better design than the one shown above especially around the firing rings the one above looks more like a felpro
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Originally Posted by LEE-RS
believe it or not a standard ford cvh turbo head gasket looks a better design than the one shown above especially around the firering rings the one above looks more like a felpro
the standard gasket is thicker around the fire rings than normal CVH gaskets, the one pictured is nothing like a felpro it's MLS... which means its more like the focus RS gasket.
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the standard gasket is thicker around the fire rings than normal CVH gaskets, the one pictured is nothing like a felpro it's MLS... which means its more like the focus RS gasket.

the ford focus rs multi-layer head gasket is superior imo i never seen one fail but have seen a few cvh cometics gaskets fail in between the 3 layers mainly above or below the solid stainless steel centre section and yes they were fitted properly with a skimmed head and block
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Originally Posted by LEE-RS

the standard gasket is thicker around the fire rings than normal CVH gaskets, the one pictured is nothing like a felpro it's MLS... which means its more like the focus RS gasket.

the ford focus rs multi-layer head gasket is superior imo i never seen one fail but have seen a few cvh cometics gaskets fail in between the 3 layers mainly above or below the solid stainless steel centre section and yes they were fitted properly with a skimmed head and block
how long ago were these fitted? the solid stainless centre hasn't been around too long. i'm not saying its impossible, just unlikely. is there is a problem with them, why hasn't someone either contacted the dealer, or cometic themselves to register their complaint? the focus RS ones could be better, but do you know of many that are being used with 2+bar of boost regularly? i'm not saying that the ford gasket is shite or anything, i know its one of the best, but i'm just trying to put across that this cometic gasket would probably not have failed if it were fitted properly, also that you shouldn't blame a product for what is clearly poor workmanship when bieng fitted. surely everybody can't have their blinkers on ? that head face looks filthy.

another thing to note - look at the top picture on this page... looks like corrosion on the block face near the waterway... i wonder what the block face looks like ?
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