Noisy Boy

Hello Lads just want run this pass you all,

I hear alot of people are using this gotech management, and have notice that you get some out standing results on bhp but a great lose in ib/ft! Now the most graphs i have seen is great if you are racing that engine round a track due to using high revs at all time, now i know for a fact that the turbo cvh isnt keen on being reved all the time even with uprated bearings! Please dont think i am slaging this management off cos i am not i think its great to see rs going forward instead of backwards. I feel that zvh will go down well this management due to zetec being a revy engine. Just thought peple should make sure they have a well build engine before using this, Just dont want people to be stuck with a knacked bottom after trashing it to death!

Now please can anyone see where i am coming from or do you all disagree!!

Please let me know if i am talking shit or do i have a point?

JAMSPORT

WHY WOULD FITTIN GOTECH LOSE TURQUE

WHY WOULD A LONG STROKE ENGINE REV BETTER THAN A SHORTER STROKE ENGINE

NOT SAYIN THAT YOUR TALKIN SHIT THO

Noisy Boy

dont know why mate, but have you seen gotech fitted to a car which shows great lb/ft in a cvh!

JAMSPORT

yes cos i fit and map it

NUTS RuS

iTrader: (35)

Management can't change things that much just get more from what you have.

steven botes

try going to the Dicktator website , i paid R2,100(150 pounds) for mine
full stand alone programmable,works well with turbos

stuart collins

iTrader: (7)

mine 1.6 is doin around 350bhp and 350lbft at 1.8bar so no it does work

Noisy Boy

My point was really people using it on a standard bottom end as for your motor stu that one hell of a build and would love to be a passager in that

I would love to have gotech but am worried that if i dont spend thousands on a bottom end it would kill my engine?

NUTS RuS

iTrader: (35)

Why would it ?

Rab

My question too. What are you gibbering on about mate?

Noisy Boy

I am was running 170bhp with 205lb/ft kent cam and a full works head with boost problems only holding 12psi and i fucked the bearings, so how much work wil i need to run about 200bhp without problems? was gonna get new pistons and uprated bearings but is that enough? Or do i just sell it because its gona cost to much!! missus is on my back as it is about car sitting in garage

ldack

If you think about it gotech is just changing the fueling, so how can that massively affect the torque?? Its not really possible is it?

And fitting gotech wouldn't knacker your engine, because you can just fit gotech and expect massive power increase! But you may get better power delivery etc. and then you know you have the management to run much more.. So in time you can upgrade your engine.. get the ecu re mapped then ur well away!!

But I cant see much point in spending the money if you have a standard engine - seems quite pointless. Make the best use of ur KE, unless you intend on more engine mods.

I have gotech, and im happy with it!

Hope this helps!

swerv

looks like your in a muddle and not really understanding things, get a proper bottom built up, mgnmt dosnt really matter for the final output but obvoiusly anything modern is going to better than ke as remember its a very very old system and most of the wiring will be fucked now anyway.

imo build a nice standard size bottom end(crank, bearings, pistons) nice ported head and you wont have any problems with 200hp!!

my KE was running perfect but the only reason i would replace it would be so i can change the loom for a new one and to get rid of some of the running problems.

good luck

reality

It pains me when people take the 'crap' bit of a zetec and the crap part of a cvh and make one huge pile of crap.. (zvh)

Spoil yourself.. go 16v.. management makes no difference to the power, but can affect driveability substantially..

ldack

Zvh cant be all that bad can it? Dont know a great deal about it but getting one soon!

swerv

well said

Noisy Boy

would love a 16v lump but thats just to much money and power through front wheels i leave that for people who have shit loads of money

Ok how much different is cossie management to gotech?

reality

Have you actually priced up the difference between a zvh and full zetec? You have to do more cocking around to get the zvh built, which means more labour.. The standard zetec head and cams package will flow 320bhp all day long (with a T34).. A bog standard 2 litre zetec with a set of pistons, injectors and a T3 will piss 250bhp all day, every day, for a long time.. lag? what lag?

Let me price it for you..

Donor Engine = Ł100
Machine everything = Ł300 (bore&hone/line-hone mains)
AE C20LET Pistons = Ł300
Uprated Valve Springs = Ł100
Gaskets, bearings, pumps and blah = Ł300
= Ł1100 in parts plus half a day to bolt it together (this assumes no headwork or head rebuild, rebuild head = Ł250-300)..

No doubt i've not accounted for absolutely everything, but it's 95% complete including all big spend items..


Then spend as much money as you want on management, turbos, intercoolers, injectors, map sensors, looms, blah blah blah.. all this stuff is much the same whether you do it on a zvh or zetec..


Now price up a zvh, including adapters, modifying this that, blah blah and tell me it's a lot cheaper, if at all! Probably quite the opposite!

scotty86d

Would it not be worth going forged pistons and rods like farndon rods and cosworth pistons or another good make. I mean if i get them and only have a hybrid t3 will that be pointless. just i have a habit of breaking things and i cant be arsed with repairing every few months.

reality

The C20LET pistons are very good, i've not heard of them failing up to 500bhp! (albeit the Mahle version, not AE)..

As far as rods.. the general concensus seems to be "good for 250-270bhp, go steel after this".. however i've never seen or heard of a standard zetec rod breaking!

Rab

I still don't know what he's on about? Your engine collapsed, and you somehow think this is to do with managment?

I think it was cos your bottom end was old, and in need of a rebuild.

Noisy Boy

Not talking about my management!!!!

I was pointing out the fact that all power graphs i have seen for the gotech have less lb/ft then bhp and was wondering if someone can explain this!!!

I dont think it is to do with my management at all, it collapsed cos i didnt take the time to uprate it all, plus i used and abused it like a rs should be!

I have seen people use gotech management pushing 200+bhp on standard bottom end, and mainly pointing out that, thats alot for a standard bottom end to take! I am not coplaining about it or want a new management just trying to let people know if they are pushing mega power they should have uprated all there parts and dont do it in bits just as i did and i have a huge bill to pay out!

stuart collins

iTrader: (7)

wat the fuck are u on about bell

stuart collins

iTrader: (7)

nick from performance ford is runnin gotech on a standard bottom end its makin 260bhp and over 250lbft

so wat are u talkin about???????????????????????????????

Charlie Chalk

iTrader: (1)

Im going to be running this on a rebuilt bottom end and want about 170 - 200 bhp

Noisy Boy

And how long is that gonna last on standard bottom end?
and should'nt his lb/ft be more then his bhp? or is this the way it should be? i always thought you should have more lb/ft than bhp? please explain am no expert on this and wish to know?

stuart collins

iTrader: (7)

its only runnin 14psi. if u look at all the big power 1600 they are all makin around 270-290lbft , if u look at the 1900 or 2000 they are makin 330-350 because of the capacity not the management

Noisy Boy

JAMBO

Hello mate you said that you fit and map gotech. The question that i have asked isnt being answered so i was wondering if you can help. For example nick from perfromance ford has big bhp but from whats written he has less lb/ft than bhp, why is this?

I always thought that you should have more lb/ft then bhp? or am i wrong? please explain as i feel i am banging my head against a brick wall.

sorry to bother you with this its just you said you fit it and map.

Tim

iTrader: (1)

you have it the wrong way round chap,more bhp than lbs

well thats my 1600 on cossy stuff make of it what u will

reality

Hang on.. on a turbo car, the amount of peak torque is generally relative to how much boost (on a particular spec turbo) you run.. the amount of power you make depends on how high you rev it.. power is just a function of torque.. however, power is airflow, so your peak power is limited by how much your engine can flow!

Rick

how did i miss this?! Someone is clearly confused lol. And pmsl @ the ZVH comments

392B.H.P.SAFF

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

ok i had a series1 built by rallytec,1900 bottom end,worked head,all the trimmings was PUSHING OUT 227BHP and guess what STANDARD MANAGEMENT,the tuner told me its not worth changing the management unless you want BIG BIG GAINS OF BOTH TORQUE AND BHP.
i to have seen the drop in ib/ft in all the magazines and would also like to know why this is

and please try to keep it normal

stuart collins

iTrader: (7)

noisy boy here is your answer .

stuart collins

iTrader: (7)

if u want massive lbft put a 5.0l v8 in it and stop goin on

Noisy Boy

stu dont know if you have a reading problem but I am not after a build or want a big power engine so where did you get the idea i wanted a big build you plumb!

stuart collins

iTrader: (7)

have u see a car that has come in had gotech fitted no other engine mods if so show us

Noisy Boy

Nick from performance ford!!

Rab

I am more than a wee bit confused here...................................

Noisy Boy. Why 'should' a car make more torque than power? Hondas don't. Power is just a mathematical function of torque given over a specified time period. What do you want from your car mate? For reliability I;d switch to anything other than K-Jet, cos thats where most of the problems I had with my 9 S2's came from.

Find out what you want from your car, then spec the engine around that.

If you want a torquey monster then build yourself a big capacity bottom end running low(ish) boost and roll about. If you want a big power screamer, build a steel 1600 cvh with solid lifters etc and run 2 bar. It's all up to you. Just stop confusing us with your posts

392B.H.P.SAFF

rab what is so confusing about this post?
fuck me if you all took time and read it rather than quick i wanna reply to it then you might just see why noisy boy is asking the question.
As i expalined in my post when i had my series 1 built by a tuner was told unles I WANTED BIG BIG BHP AND TORQUE GAINS CAHNGE THE MANAGEMENT,IM ON L8 ECU PRODUCING 427BHP WITH 443 IB/FT
now work that one out

reality

It's easy to work out, if you read the whole thread..

KE-Jetronic is limited to about 230bhp MAX (air flow).. upgrading to any EFI system will instantly unleash power..