could anyone post a list or a how too on converting a small turbo escort cosworth too a large. inc parts needed and all other info?

cheers guys

 

depends on wether you want to use after-market managment or the system off a big turbo car. Most people use the big turbo stuff, in which case you will need,
ecu, engine loom, map sensor, coil, leads, dizzy, plugs, turbo, manifold etc....

 

prob b easier to use the loom off the lager escort i would of guessed? are the sensor is in and around the engine different to the large turbo? of will the loom form the large turbo plug straight in the the small turbo sensors?

 

Autronic

 

pm'd for some of the parts you require mate....dibbs on your Inlet manifold when you do the conversion

Dan

 

If you are not in a mega rush, there will soon hopefully be a new conversion on offer by MSD, all you have to swap is the turbo (T34.48)and the exhaust manifold to big turbo/ 4x4 saff spec, and a few other minor parts, and then it will be able to run 350 BHP on the std ECU

My engine build is starting next week so hopefully once Stu is back from honeymoon he can finalize the conversion

 

 

yeah that sounds like a plan, id be happy with arount 350, if i could get it there without doing the loom and dissy thing that would be good

 

Their are threads on here that go through whats required. Should be a good conversion, I'll be doing it when its ready. Here is a list of what was required the last time it was posted:
Injectors.
Fuel Pump.
Plugs.
Manifold.
T34.48
Chip.
Actuator.

 

Don't ya know still faster than most stg 3 out there ask paul R

 

my st escos has low comps, 305 ggr chic, uprated fuel pump, t28 hybrid (what exact spec i dont kno0, carried out by ggr, all work done by previous owner, must be around 300bhp mark, but wanna get another 30 -- 50 bhp, if i can

 

depends on what management you wanna use i run autronic SM4 tbh the best mod i had so far, mine now runs a T34.48 and i'm running 390hp,430lbft on high boost drives great and features of the SM4 are cool... cost me a few k BUT its one of the best systems available... with your spec you may make more power than me running what i run . then there pectel or LT management but i think to gain the best you need aftermarket management...

 

mine runs OMEX managment, T38 turbo & siemens 650cc injectors, peaks 30psi holds 27/28 that makes 435bhp 400lbs/ft

 

Dont really understand why people do this, when they can jsut go out a buy a large turbo model.

theres bugger all difference in the actual car and less hassle with getting everything changed over.

Why do people go to so much hassle when its not needed.

 

most of the later small turbo models are in better condition, have a better equiptment spec and come in different colours. Also, a lot of people never intend to tune thier cars, but end up doing so, and rarther than sell a car they know is good and take a chance on an unknown BT car, it's easier and cheaper to tune the small turbo. Also the YBP is easily the best YB, as it has a stronger block, WRC oil spray jets as std and a slightly larger port head

Also, if this new conversion MSD are working on comes good ( and its 95% there ), you will have all the benefits of the ST models standard features such as adaptive fuelling, and coil packs as std, and it is a VERY capable ECU, don't let what you have seen written by very un-knowlegeable people make you think otherwise

 

As a day to day car the ST is far easier to live with due to the improvements made by Ford. Why did Ford do it otherwise.It just lacked the tuning potential until now.

 

Hi Adamski frst

thats an impressive torque figure. Do you have a printout of the torque curve?

cheers

kenny

 

best i have mate

 

Stupid conversion! Use the inlet you`ve already got, as its better. Some sort of aftermarket quality management system like LINK og Autronic. Get a new GT series turbo and a intercooler, job done! we have done this to two ST cars lately and works perfectly and goes well even with standard engines.

 

the managment system (the loom and ecu) does the loom off the larger turbo models plug directly in too the same sensors on the engine of the st escorts, or do the sensors have to be changed too?

the changeing turbos and intercooler fitting i can do to my car no probs but the loom and ecu upgrading im not too sure about as i have never really done ne thing with the electrical side of tuning with cars.

 

I'm sure you need all the sensors from the BT car to swap over to the ST as they are different.

 

some loom connectors are diff as well on small t

 

i would just go omex will not cost you more and will be better in the long run

and you can run your old loom or have new

 

what is omex then just an ecu upgrade?? will it fit on my standard loom?

how much and where from??

cheers

 

please dont consider changing to a standard BT original loom, as it old an prone to fail, yours is newer and better, would be a big downgrade, just as changing to an old standard garret t35.. Use a new management, and get a pro to set i up for you with a proper turbo and intercooler, you will never look back. here is some pretty cool products at not to bad prices www.linkecu.com

 

still gotta say altho mine cost alot i had a ryan loom along with the autronic, the wiring has and will never let me down my car can only get bigger and better with whats been fitted ... fit autronic and you'll never look back

 

Autronic, link, pectel, elektromotive, ole bull EFI and many more all up to the job, what matters is that it gets a PROPER setup.

 

so it is posible to get a new ecu, that will plug in too my origional loom?

 

speak to OMEX, they done a plug & play ecu for the fiesta turbo.

 

they dont for the escort cosworth but can be done as we did it to andybrew

 

But just remember you get what you pay for cut corners and looms and plugs now and you'll pay in the long term

 

thanks for the advice guys

 

That's like music for my ears keep the posts comming if new achiefments have been made 350 bhp here we come

 

waiting for parts is the bug-bear of my life , I wanted to get the engine in and out in 2 weeks, but due to seriously upgrading everything, it has taken since april to be ready to put the thing back together I sold my old quaife gearbox to a guy in Poland who took 5 weeks to pay me, then my new box took 2 weeks to build, then the block and headwork took 3 weeks, lightening and balancing has taken 2 weeks, it all adds up, I can't really complain about turnround time of companies as they all are busy, but you get stuck waiting for parts that mean you can't do anything else until you get them. Of course cashflow has been a bit of a problem as well seeing as the 4x4 running gear upgrades have cost £5400 on their own , thats before 2k of engine parts, all the machining, £1500 for brakes, blah blah blah It is amazing how fast all the "little" parts add up .... Good thing is the car will be 95% brand new on the mechanical side of things

I will take a picture of all the parts that I have got ready to fit, it will be like that group A photo on the front of the book

Here is the brief spec
Spec- (and why it's taken so long to rebuild, it's having a top to bottom overhaul )

Car started out as a 96' N Plate Small turbo, with a 280BHP MSD chip. Then I bolted the T34 onto a std car for Stu's experiment, and the rest of the car was pretty Std bar a Mongoose/ konis etc.

How it is Now/ going to be in a few weeks time:

Engine:

7.4:1 cc'd
WRC long studded decked T25 200 block
0.5 over size Mahle low comp pistons with Valve cut outs
Lightened and Balanced bottom end, ARP bolts throughout.
High pressure oil pump with std T 25 WRC oil spray jets
Big wing gated sump
Cometic 3 layer steel Head gasket
Ported and Polished/ cc'd chambers head 25/26mm ports
New valve guides+ re-cut seats, skimmed flat for metal head gasket
New O.E followers, Std Exhaust cam Brand new from Blank BD14 inlet cam
Vernier pulleys
Every bush gasket and seal replaced with cometic or new item
New water pump
C.R Engineering T38 To MSD specifications
Big turbo/ sapphire 4x4 exhaust manifold (larger collector port)
Injectors- TBC, but currently 55Lbs siemens
Black silicon hoses throughout the engine bay with a re-circulating Dump valve
Collins engine mounts+ gearbox mount
Full Mongoose Stainless steel exhaust
Bosch 023 intank fuel pump
Provisional- Pro Alloy/ R&B development uprated intercooler to retain air conditioning yet massivly improve ACT's ( Car going to Pro Alloy as soon as its ready!)
Spec R header tank with sight glass
Baily 3 port breather
Alloy P.A.S tank
MSD Mapped EEC IV ECU

Drivetrain:

Ford motorsport genuine 909 thickwall front differential with std ratio open diff, Steel sandwich strenthening plate. ( may upgrade to R&B alloy plate)
Bara Motorsport "mullit" fully straight cut MT 75 gearbox with uprated 1st gear and std ratios.
2wd Std Cosworth rear beam ( to be upgraded to Zoo or equivilant when funds allow )with 7.5" Std 2wd Cosworth LSD. 2wd driveshafts.
Reyland twin plate organic clutch with centre push hydrulic conversion

Chassis

18" Rondell 122's with 225 40 R18's with Goodyear Eagle F1's
AP 362x32mm 12 Groove brakes with 6 pot (7040) callipers.
Std Rear Brakes
Braided brake lines
Every suspension bush replaced with Polyeurothene (powerflex)
Front and rear Group A Strut braces
Adjustable TCA's
Bilstien 909 soft tarmac front coilovers (spring rates TBC)
Bilstien 909 Magnesium medium gravel rear coilovers (spring rates TBC)
Std ARB's front and rear
R&B rear toe shim kit

General

Crystal Morrettes (maybe std lights, not sure yet )
Autometer 63mm ultralite -30/+30 A pillar mounted Boost gauge
52mm Auto Meter ultralite oil temp gauge
R&B ACT gauge
Std lux leather interior retaining air conditioning.
Vanillarama yellow magic tree (+15BHP across the range)


Hence my wallet is going "ouch"

BIG THANKS TO: Ian@Racetek , STU@MSD, Matt Lewis Motorsport, Mike Rainbird (R&B), Martin Hadland (Reyland), and my mates who have helped me no end Jamie Lawley (J.Lawley Garages), Big Ste (4x4 ste), Ginger Yates(Altratz), Si Leadbetter (Melzieanne) , Neil (Boost Happy) and everyone else that has taken the piss, helped, laughed at me etc etc

Won't be long now

Can't wait to get it back to MSD for them to play with it


Full thread on tuning the small turbo Escort
https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...er=asc&start=0

 

make sure you get agreed value insurance for that lot sounds great

 

already sorted thanks to the above excellent service by greenlight