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Kicks Cossie butt in both styling & performance. Right off the showroom floor.

It's a good thing Ford of America is providing the goods, while Ford of Europe is for once, empty-handed (unless you call the Mondeo/Focus ST competition )

What do u guys think!!

 

i prefer the old one

 

Gorgeous gorgeous cars!
I'm going to Dallas next week for a few days. Any chance of a ride in your cossie?
How does yours cope with the Texas heat and low grade fuel?[/quote]

 

Just a shame it's stuck in the dark ages with a live axle....

How well do these handle compared to a European car? American cars arn't exactly renoun for being good handling cars!

 

Very nice! But i would style have Ford Europe over America any day! We have mainly better cars. Just every now and then you have awsome ones like that!

 

cant argue with that


seems that ford are back pedaling though, they tried to be different and failed so now there gonna attempt to put there loyal customers back into focus and give them what they want,,,,,,,,,, cause there loosing them now too and about to close down


which means this may be a nice car to by,,,,,,,,,,, wonder if they will bring the RS badge back then

 

Totally agree

The old ones were, without a doubt, sex on wheels

 

(Old one - gorgeous.

The new one may well be quick in a straight line, but can it go round a corner...........????? I doubt it................

 

Well youd be VERY suprised.

And wrong

Late Mustangs have been beating the E46 M3GTRs on the track in the USA over the last couple of years.

And people moan about live axle, but done right and its not a problem, and has nobody seen how shit cossie rear suspension design/setup is then?

 

sooo true

but most cossie owners still think there drift ready motors too and cause there rwd they will out run a scooby,,,,,,,,,,, just blinkers and miss infomation


the old shelby cant have handled that well

 

I think Ford Europe betta recognise!

They know there's a market for high end performance every day cars. But they arn't doing naything about it?

As for the new ST, please Don't make me laugh, that has to be the single most pathetic attempt at 'decent power' Ford have ever made

 

Why

 

have you EVER DRIVEN ONE to make that comment though,,,, serious question

its actually a nice car and for the cash its a great car imo


just its fucking ugly and the styling is wank

 

So 220bhp from a 2.5 litre turbocharged 5 cylinder engine is good is it?

Please.....I've seen 1.4 4 cylinder turbocharged engines do 220 for breakfast.

Obviously its detuned dramatically, but why? Why not let it loose with at least what the VXR has.

 

cause for most people its fast enough !!!

you wanna tune it then tune it

also from a marketing point of veiw if you buy a car with 300bhp standard and tune it you get 350 bhp,,,,,,,, thats OK but if you get a 200bhp car and first state of tune you get 250, then theres 275 and then you can get 350 for very little work and not touch the engine more people will actually prefer to buy it and its still gonna be insurnace friendly imo


hope that helps


why didnt they make the cosworth stage 3 to start with ???, was that crap cause of it

 

Yeah, it was crap. Sorry, but its the truth. Who cares if someone says Ł4.99 or Ł5. I'd rather buy a car that's got a healthy amount of horses, then it will be cheaper to tune. That is, unless you all like spending money to go from 200 brake to 350

 

Ginge, i cant see that, i dont believe for one second ford bring out their cars with aftermarket tuning in mind

 

Reliability

Fuel Economy

Insurance

Handling

Ford are marketing the Ł17000 ST at a certain market and its all about balance, as we know all you have to do is put a slightly harsh Diff into a car and every magazine and reporter will jump on the band wagon and slate it, just like the VXR now and its "shocking torque steer" not that it would be shocking to anyone on here but the little girl reporter for autocar that tests it will think so

 

well they bring a car out that will sell and will also pass waranty with no problems


aftermarket tuning they DONT think of BUT they know that a 350bhp car aint gonna sell aswell as a 200bhp car thats 5k cheeper


hence why the saph cossie was DETUNED when sold

 

dont think the diff has made the car torque steer

but you are spot on,,,, i was looking at the BIGGER picture

one of the parts directors has just taken delivery of hes st3 company car last week,,,,,,,,,,,,, as he made reference to that then told me it would cost me 15 and a 1/2 for me to buy it if i wasnt leaving



tosser , i told him that if he needs any parts just remember when he calls volvo ill do him a deal and help out any tech questions for him

 

Ever driven a VXR or any of its rivals Snowy?

Ive driven an Astra VXR, and its a prime example of it not being all about power.

Ive driven that and a few others (not the FST yet tho) and rate the Mk5 Golf GTI Turbo much higher than the VXR and its about 30bhp down according to factory figures.
Hell when we was having a tear up the Golf kept up with the VXR in the few races we had from about 30 to 100.

VXR is horrid to drive compared to the Golf and nowhere near as fun, just looks better on the outside and nicer book figures.

Never driven an ST yet, but its a good example of it not all being power.

 

ever driven my S1? thats awful to drive

 

the st is still ugly to look at

 

so are you but we still talk to you!!!

 

so you talk to cars

thats more than just sad

 

hell yeah...but the conversations ALWAYS go like this...

"why....why you doing this to me AGIAN?? i treat you to parts, i oil you, fill you up, polish you and you repay me like this!!!!......fuck this.......(i run off and grab a tree branch..."

 

Been in one, not driven it though. i know its very refined power with a nice torque curve. not balls out power.

But wouldn't you, if you were ford, want to make it more than the VXR? because they will fall foul when someone wants to buy a new car, with a bit of power, reliability, and addordability and they go for the astra just because of that little extra

 

The original shelby looked nothing like that..

Thats a chip foose creation. The PROPER shelby GT500 was so much better imho. Eleanor is still a nice car but everyone thinks its actually the GT500 as shelby designed it..

 

Yes! Have a look under (any) Vauxhall Carlton and tell me what you see?! You'll find the exact same set up as any Sierra. So the Sierra stuff isn't exactly cutting edge or at the fore front of design!

From what I have heard, I would sooner have Ford Europe build quality.

 

Agree 100% the new Golf GTi is awesome. They seemed to lose their way after the Mk2. The new Mk5 they seem to have recaptured what the GTi was all about.

My fave is still the Mk1 though

 

I had a test drive of a 2005 Mustang 4.6i premium with the optional supercharger kit fitted while i was in Las Vegas - only thing that let it down for me was the fact it is left had drive or i'd be sat in one right now

stunning car to drive, quite simply a monster

 

id have a cossie over that for looks and performance.compare a 450bhp cossie against that and it would get its arse kicked.pluse if they blew up what would cost more.bring back old skool motors

 

Thing it a 450bhp one of them is hardly stressed and will last loads longer than a cossie.
And your wrong about it costing more too, mustang tuning is incredibly cheap.

 

pmsl

 

i mean engine replacement not tuning.they not all that quick.reviews on the handling and drive wasnt to good.just my personal opinion

 

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