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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 08:46 AM
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Worlds-1st-ROU...QQcmdZViewItem

Personally I say scam. I've seen a few of these types of thing over the years but have never trusted them. Personally I don't believe there is a 100% winning system for roulette as it's a game of chance. Totally random. You cant accurately predict randomality, else it wouldn't be random.

BUT, I've always wondered.... what if it really does work, and I'm passing up a great opportunity?

What are others' views on this?
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 09:07 AM
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Definately sounds like a scam to me. The only way he is making money from the roulette wheel is by doing this e-bay scam.

It is possible to cheat in casinos using card counting methods to just very slightly stack the odds back in your favour but even then it is hard to do and the casinos all know about it.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 09:12 AM
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so what were you looking for when you stumbled across this jay
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 09:12 AM
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will e-mail you for 50 quid!!!!!!!!!

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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 09:25 AM
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Keep your money in your pocket mate.

It will be somekind of 'martingale' system where you bet red or black and simply keep doubling your stake when you lose.

So you bet £1 on red. If it's black, you stake £2 on red next time. Then £4. You get the idea. Eventually, Red will win (so the theory goes) at which point, you recover all previous losses and make the £1 you originally wanted to make.

In theory it works. But it only takes a bad run and you need a bank account like Bill Gates to play. After 10 losses, you're staking £1024 to make your £1 profit.

And even if you have the money and balls to do it, you'd find the casinos set a maximum limit.

Can I have my £50 now mate ?
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 09:38 AM
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Haha I wasn't even considering buying it! I would hope people would give me more credit than that
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 09:42 AM
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Keep your money in your pocket mate.

It will be somekind of 'martingale' system where you bet red or black and simply keep doubling your stake when you lose.

So you bet £1 on red. If it's black, you stake £2 on red next time. Then £4. You get the idea. Eventually, Red will win (so the theory goes) at which point, you recover all previous losses and make the £1 you originally wanted to make.

In theory it works. But it only takes a bad run and you need a bank account like Bill Gates to play. After 10 losses, you're staking £1024 to make your £1 profit.

And even if you have the money and balls to do it, you'd find the casinos set a maximum limit.

Can I have my £50 now mate ?
Forgot to say, I actually did this once. I went on one of the machines in a bookies'. Apparently totally random, yet doubling my stake each time betting on black I got 11 reds in a row
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:07 AM
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2 to the power 11 = 2048

so there was only a 1 in 2048 chance of you managing to lose 11 times in a row
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:08 AM
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PS

If you did it then it would mean thats the amount of money you lost, so surely you didnt keep doubling it
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:17 AM
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I can't remember exactly what I did now. I know I was doubling it at first. I endd up blowing about £300.

I do remember that the next number after I ran out of cash was a black tho........
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:25 AM
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If it wasnt for bad luck mate, you wouldnt have any fucking luck at all!
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 10:31 AM
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there is another version - you use the "bonus" money the house gives you for signing up & bet 1 credit on each number every spin & lose 2 or 3 credits each spin (numbers pay 35:1 dont they ?) as there is 37 number or something - the earner is the fact that you cant withdraw the house bonus cash until you have bet something like 8 times that whole sign up deposit, but if you only lose 2 credits or dollars a spin you use up the required bets & still get to withdraw most of the bonus after 40 or 80 spins or something ! - sounds convoluted but it made me 90 dollars for 25mins work! (unfortunately it only works once for each different casino)
you must read the rules about claiming withdraws as some casinos insist on betting 8 or 16 times the initial deposit & bonus !!

there is another one that has to be done at 1 player only betting shop websites that use certain types of program - still trying to work that one out properly - its something to do with these more basic games cannot generate a truely random number
i'll work that one out one day!!
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 11:35 AM
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There are ways of stackimng the odds *slightly* in your favour but 'win every time'? I think not
Put it this way - if you knew this system and you 'won every time' - would you try & sell it off on ebay for £50 a pop? Nah!!
I'd be retiring on my casino winnings!!
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