On this build I'm going to do ..I'm either wanting to go GT30 or T34 or may push the boat out and just go for a borgwarner. .probably over kill if I did ..but heard great things about them ..anyway back to the GT30 ..I stuck gt30 in Google to get a rough idea and up came ebay with tons of them new from £130-£200 . What's crack ..are they really that cheap ..or is it a scam or owt .

Cheers Mat

 

your going to get a lot of pro Garret/Borg warner etc etc but i have first hand have 3 of these so call cheap turbos, and my friend has 1 .
i had a cheap gt28 turbo on my mps 2.3 turbo cost 139 from maxspeeding rods 2 years ago and its now done 14k at 20psi boost and get used hard.
my old cossie which had a gt30 type non roller bearing turbo from maxspeeding rods has done at least 9000 miles on and running 25psi is still going strong as my friend has it. and my current cossie has a t35 type one again from maxspeedingrods and has done 3k so far at 26psi. i also have a gt30 type one on my mk2 cossie engine but its only done mapping mileage so not really tested.

ive yet to blow one or have oil seals go and to be fair you goto all the jap boys they swear by them also.

 

cheap chinese copies mat - will struggle to hold 1bar of boost.

or so i thought until my mate bought a gt35 from ebay and he said it was genuine and arrived in a garrett box (he is a mechanic so does know what he is talking about). His car made over 450bhp at 2 bar so im guessing the one he bought was alright - he says there are more on there so he can get them anytime.

Its a gamble but one that may be worth going for if you can get the same as above

Ive asked for a link as thinking of getting one myself

Edit to add the new one my mate bought was a non-roller bearing gt35

 

You get what u pay for at the end of the day a local lad has one on a Vauxhall z20let, it makes the power but smokes badly and uses loads of oil, also the power band is 5500-6500, pretty rubbish really and that's with a decent well known mapper.another mate had one on a slightly modded cvh and that was similar, mental lag.
I've had genuine t4, gt30 and now borg Warner on my Cossie and the Borg Warner is worth the extra money even on an old l8 ecu it's awesome.

 

People that know me ..will tell you I don't skimp on builds ..It just surprised me how cheap these are and the reviews are bang on also ..bang on for someone wanting a cheap build .

 

ive never seen a cheap one on any forum were a shaft has blown so worst case scenaro oil seals will go, worth a punt, i know max speeding rods one i will only use as i know they look better than a few i have seen elsewere.

 

Had a look on eBay and can't find them? Anyone got a link

 

Found them now. Well cheap. New t3 for £129,99

 

Yea there's are the ones I was looking at ..Good reviews.

 

cobblers, ive run a t3/t4 with 0.63 turbine housing and it was very similar in spool and power to a t34 on 0.63, that's my first hand experience of owning and using one.


ive got gt30s on my vr38 and I wouldn't change them to cheapos but to say there laggy useless rubbish is simply not true

 

I couldn't find one that would specifically fit a ford they seemed to be for skylines.

 

I've seen a few with T3 fitment ..some you may just have to rotate

 

Sorry to be thick but what's the difference between the housing etc where people say .63 etc? Is that the size in mm of the inlet etc?

 

Its a huge gamble, for the sake of a few quid get the read deal

You get what you pay for

 

Not wanting to be a pain, but seeing the power level you mentioned, would a GT30 be overkill? I would of thought a GT28 would be enough for 300odd bhp? Or do you want potentially more in the future?

 

I won't be buying a cheap GT30 if I go the GT30 route ..as ill be wanting a roller bearing one if anything else ..

No Gt30 would be fine for 350hp. Without running it balls out ..plus leaving me scope for the future .

 

I see, wonder how long it'll be at 350 with you then.

 

Yeah I thought this but looking at all the reviews they seem pretty good? I'm on a very tight budget but then again if it fooks my engine I'll be even more tight :-(

Edited As seemed to have got everyone's posts in my original post :-(

 

Just because it'scheap doesn't mean there crap, here is example , Hart inlets are a lot more than aautospecialist inlet so I take it AS inlet is not as good ? I've heard people saying it's better , how can it be it's cheaper , both made in China I'm sure, how about injectors Grey's are double the price of Lucas/Siemens injectors??

 

Quality control is going to be much less with the copies.

 

The reviews and the people that use em ..say they are great ..For someone wanting a cheap turbo they seem a good option. .I'm after roller bearing other wise id Try one ..If I can make my mind up ::

 

What car have u got now then mat?

 

my genuine GT3076r roller bearing turbo was laggy as hell - full boost at 4500.

Preferred my T34 0.63 engined car to be honest

 

The levels that people go too to convince there selves you don't get what you pay for.
If you don't have money you buy this cheap 35 & you get what you get if you have the money a Borg is simple Black/White better. Just accept that but don't kid yourself that this is anything more than a cheap copy.
We hear all this talk about lag thats mainly the Spec of the engines the Turbo is used on. If you follow well trodden routes laid down in 1990 you will end up with an engine that drives as it did back then. Many on here cannot be told that some Tuners have moved on in the last 25 years. Its expensive so not for most so enjoy what you can afford. A Ferrari owner will not buy a kitcar copy.

 

It will be going on a 2.1 zetec ..in a Rs turbo... I'm really liking the borg twin scroll if I can get one to suit the engine ...as I'm wanting to build a car thats around 300 350 or a little more if that's how it ends up with good drivability. .something I can take the Mrs up the coast ..then nip to the odd track day .

 

Buy yourself a V8 M3 / 1M or V10 M5 and actually be able to do what you want to do!

 

im considering buying one of these kits dependant on space for a possible conversion on my 440 ci dodge v8 that's low comp in stock form about 7.8-1 it would seem


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T04-63AR-5...item2ee037bb88


or if space allows this


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T04E-9PC-T...item2c653a9abf


im thinking the internal gate setup with nose mounted turbos will fit best and have a better chance of the wastegate dumping pressure to maintain 8 psi max.

 

They bore me to death ..hence I'm not on a BMW forum and I'm actually on a Ford forum ..but cheers

 

RS turbo's need fortunes thrown at them to even make them handle ok, let alone well.

my mrs would never let me take her 'up the coast' in one , far too uncomfortable for her

 

Glad it's not your mrs I'm taking up the coast then

And don't ask me why I'm building a rs turbo as I don't know why either .. just been itching for another for years.. no doubt I'll end up having a cossie at the side of it .and be double arsing myself ::

 

i still love them too

they are better to look at and polish than they are to drive though

 

I had good fun in them years ago.... just want the same fun ..Good thing here is all the roads are new or either smooth ..and I've a brand new Golf GT TDI coming ..just a nice clean quick rs turbo will do me .

 

its the stuff you dont remember

the lack of powersteering
the windows always being fogged (and pathetic heaters with no air con)
the crashy bumpy ride
the rattles from everywhere
the radio that doesnt work
the fact theres an art to starting them on a cold morning
that it could get nicked with a spoon
the brakes/ABS that wont stop you when you really need too
the rust.........

 

id go less power with a smaller turbo it will be a much nicer car to drive and be better for what you want escorts with that power level are brutal and not in a good way and it tries to rip the shell apart

 

You've had a bad one then ..mine was only 8 years old when I got it started every morning ..brakes where shit tho ..radio worked fine .can't remember rust ..id hazard a guess it's fucked now tho ..nothing wrong with wanting to try a bit of my youth ..id be done the all focus rs thing and cossie ..just fancy a change .

 

I'll see what the mapper can do ..as my old brutal car drove lovely .

 

ive had 4 (over the space of 14 years)

and i speak from experience, as in 2012 i thought i'd buy another.....and it wasn't a particularly bad one, looked awesome, sounded great....its just the rest of the car is pretty poor by modern standards.

never go back......unless its to a cossie

they are appreciating though so as long as you get a nice one it'll be a sound investment, need £5k min for a nice RST these days though.

 

I've got 8k for one ..so hopefully get a nice one ..If not ill buy a cossie ..just a itch mate ..

 

You can change all of that easily enough, where's then fun in having a car that doesn't need anything?

 

Old cars now ..I'll make the one I buy ..nice every car as faults ..some alot ::