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Old May 20, 2021 | 11:54 AM
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Default MTX75 onto 1.0 EcoBoost or 1.6 EcoBoost?

Does anyone know if this is possible?

In the old days of CVHs and Zetecs, the gearbox bolt pattern was pretty well standard, but that started to change with the introduction of the 1.6 Zetec SE and others, so what's the deal with the modern stuff? Is there any gearbox interchangeability?

I was thinking about a possible future project that might involve either a 1.0-itre EcoBoost or a 1.6-litre EcoBoost. Partly for strength (the IB5 is obviously pap) and aftermarket ratio options, the MTX75 would suit my needs better. I just wondered if one from a 2.0-litre Duratec might bolt to the EcoBoost engines? Is there any standardisation in the bolt patterns in the more recent Ford engines, or is it just a mix up these days?
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Old May 20, 2021 | 09:52 PM
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Forget manual boxes, twin clutch electronic control is the future of transmissions. On an ecoboost use a DQ250. Good for 500nm, gear shifts in less than 100ms
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Old May 21, 2021 | 09:58 AM
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Is that a VAG unit? It had crossed my mind to do some kind of DSG-based car, as I think it would be interesting. What do you do about ratios though, as most are going to be far too tall for a rally car?
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Also, what do you do about controlling the 'box? Can you get aftermarket controllers?
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Old May 21, 2021 | 11:00 AM
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A lot of the ratios suit rally\race. Have you seen my video of my twin clutch in the Escort?
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I haven't. Is it on here somewhere?

Are they low ratio enough? I thought they'd be quite high to be honest. I did wonder about buying a Fabia/Polo or similar, rather than trying to fit a different box from another manufacturer, but wasn't really sure how well the DSG would deal with the whole thing.
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https://passionford.com/forum/restor...ly-car-13.html

Might work...

The DSGs have two FD for the different sets of gears, 4.11 and 4.3s, are the variants for 1-4th, then in the mid to late 3.x for 5/6/7 still very close ratios
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Certainly shifts quick enough! Have you done any running with it yet? What did you do about the clutches in your application, as presumably that would have to be custom? Do you know of any good sites to get ratio information for the various DSG boxes?

I had thought about buying one of the twin-charge Skoda Fabias (a later one that doesn't burn oil for fun!) and building something with that, rather than going for a Ford. I saw one on rallycarsforsale.net that was using the standard 7-speed DSG, but wasn't sure how good the ratios would be. I assumed they would be geared for pretty high speed like most road 'boxes.
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Originally Posted by massivewangers
Certainly shifts quick enough! Have you done any running with it yet? What did you do about the clutches in your application, as presumably that would have to be custom? Do you know of any good sites to get ratio information for the various DSG boxes?

I had thought about buying one of the twin-charge Skoda Fabias (a later one that doesn't burn oil for fun!) and building something with that, rather than going for a Ford. I saw one on rallycarsforsale.net that was using the standard 7-speed DSG, but wasn't sure how good the ratios would be. I assumed they would be geared for pretty high speed like most road 'boxes.
clutches are part of the gearbox. Mine for example are wet and run in the oil. I use an external GCU from HTG in Poland to map the box.
Plenty information on Google. Plenty conversions around now.
Only 1 YB Cosworth DCT 7 speed 4wd in the world though.
My shifts are faster than that now. Down at 30ms at full load. Then nice and slow at light throttle off power.
Not used it on a rally yet. Not renewing my license again this year.
Hopefully get a test day at Anglesey though.
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Interesting. I think if I was to go down the DSG route, it would be in a VAG car, rather than having to have all the conversion parts made for another engine. Will do some digging and see what the ratios look like.

Gearboxes in rally cars are a pain in the arse unless you have deep pockets.
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Originally Posted by massivewangers
Interesting. I think if I was to go down the DSG route, it would be in a VAG car, rather than having to have all the conversion parts made for another engine. Will do some digging and see what the ratios look like.

Gearboxes in rally cars are a pain in the arse unless you have deep pockets.
Agreed hence why I went down the twin clutch route. The Samsonas was going to cost me north of £13k and I had to provide the transfer.
All the conversion parts I designed and had made or made myself.
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Back on topic a bit though, does anyone have an answer to the original question? I'd still like to know lol
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