Hey guys what can be used with a zetec as a 4x4? I've seen the latest fast ford mag (great cover mat) where there is on in there and the bloke has used a audi s3 running gear. I'm wondering on other options

 

If you want to stick to Ford, you can use RS2000 or Mondeo 4x4 stuff, but it's not much good for big power. There was a guy putting Evo bits into an RS2000 4x4, but I don't know how far he got.

 

I was thinking rs2000 but If I'm doing that I will want good power so I want something that will handle it and reliable

 

just change everything to evo, miles easier and will save you in the long run

 

Are there adapters to bolt the zetec to the gearbox ?

 

No dont think so, i know there has been a evo bell housing re drilled to take a zetec engine before but i honestly dont see why you would want to keep the zetec engine and not just use the 4g63

 

Cosworth running gear bolts up as iam using it . The only problem Is the crosshaft that runs through the cosworth sump for the fwd . The zetec and cosworth blocks are very similar in size etc but crank must sit in the block a bit higher than the zetec as the front of cossie sump is very shallow to sit over the steering rack but the zetec needs atleast 85 mm depth to clear the crank so you have to raise the gearbox and engine up , then run dry sump and custom build a crosshaft which is solid mounted to the crossmember , a lot of work lol.
you should talk to Djm Motorsport in Lincoln he build fords and evos and also does custom made gearboxes but he's not cheap.

cheers paul

 

I think once you have transplanted the whole Evo engine and drivetrain might aswell just buy an Evo and be done with it

 

Well that is that half of the argument, but then your stuck looking like every one else and there 4wd evo haha

 

I'd rather look like everyone else with a pocket full of money, than have an escort but that is actually an Evo but most likely doesn't work aswell as an Evo and empty pockets

What rsmat has done is awesome I get that that's how I'd want an rs turbo just maxed out for what it is not trying to make it something it isn't if you get what I mean

I'm not knocking it it will be awesome if it's done with Evo drivetrain BUT to do it properly will cost alot of time and money imo and be worth very little at the end sadly imo

 

I have no idea who rsmat is haha. Its all down to opinion, but thats the joys of modding cars. Whats not worth much to you might be worth loads more in sentimental value to someone else. You have probably be chucked some serious money at your GTR where i would of rather left the GTR standard and used the mod money to buy a much better driving car like a caterham and have a different kind of fun.

I just think trying to keep a zetec vs a 4g63 is a bit of a pointless thing to do when you have a just as good if not better engine available that bolts right up.

 

I chucked no money at either of my gtrs mate bought them both for the right coin highly modified that's the whole point, modding from stock costs a fortune I dredd to think how much my saph owes rod

Whatever is done to this escort I will be following it with great interest that's for sure if there's a restoration thread

 

Scooby there us a thread I'm just working on a place where I can actually work on it and not got miles to do it lol. My point in 4x4 was I want to do something a bit different without chopping the floor to fit a cossie in. And I saw the article where Dirk used an s3 drive chain with the escort rs2000 engine. If anyone has ideas of what direction to go I'm all ears. Just want it to look fairly standard

 

People do seem to bolt the VW boxes to quite a few engines, so that might be an option. The only thing with the VAG 4WD system is that it's Haldex, so only part time 4WD. It would make for good traction, but wouldn't be any good for donuts or any of that business (if that's what you're in to of course). I'm not sure what kind of electronics would be required to run a Haldex system either, so that might add some complexity.

I'll certainly be interested to see what you choose, but I am way too lazy to do that much work

 

Go dsg

 

They are awesome 100%

 

Im just gathering parts to turn a PFL mk2 Octavia VRS TFSI into 4wd, so delved into this quite a bit.

gen 1 and gen 2 haldex systems are reactive so they only function once slip is detected, not so great on track and can make the car snappy, you can buy controllers to help with this though.

gen 4 and current gen 5 is pro-active, so it’ll see your inputs and decide it needs to engage 4wd, like sitting at 4K rpm with the clutch down I guess 🤣 making it a much better system.

the oem way of controlling the haldex is through can-bus, it takes info from modules like the steering angle sensor, ecu and abs, I’ve mainly looked and gen 2 and 4 as I want to fit a Gen 4 in a Gen 2 platform, the older gen seem to take signals from the handbrake and certain wires from the abs, where as the Gen 4 primarily talks over can bus.

all is not lost though as you can get standalone haldex controllers, making life a lot easier, I’m not sure how much VAG stuff is needed or if there is better controllers out there as I’ve not looked into it too much as I’m hoping to make mine work using OEM gear.

http://www.vdveer-engineering.nl/ind...dex-controller

only thing I don’t like about VAG haldex is it uses a PTO from the O/S driveshaft, so if that wheel is stopped from spinning so is the haldex system, it’d work much better with a front LSD installed, I’m guessing the new cars use EDL control for this reason.

 

Some info in the PDF if you're interested in the Ford system

 

what's dsg buddy? And I see VAG a lot again what is that one lol?

 

You could use the mk3 focus rs drive train , very light around 15 kg from front diff to rear but I imagine you would need all the electrics etc to make it run right, or maybe some standalone ecu . I was looking at converting my fiesta st180 to run the mk3 running gear but the 2.0 and 2.3 litre ecoboost engines use a different bolt pattern to the 1.6 ecoboost.
i reckon you would be looking at around 2.5k for the bits then the conversion 4/5k. Your then into the realms of custom gearboxes from djm.

cheers paul

 

I would imagine I'd need to do a fair bit of chopping. I want to do as little cutting as possible I know It might not turn out that way lol. I'm just trying to find options

 

If anyone wants a complete haldex front and rear boxes and subframes etc I am breaking my TT right now.

 

My haldex gearbox is 6 speed manual and the haldex runs a stand-alone controller, it doesn’t need the car ECU. I ran a haldex hpa controller so could split the drive how I wanted and make it rear biased but sold that recently so it is back to standard, it also has a brand new clutch, dual mass flywheel and clutch cover having done less than 1000 miles.

 

A few years back at SimplyFord at Beaulieu there was a guy who had transplanted an Evo turbo engine etc in his Ford KA. It was'nt quite finished but I guess it got completed. Anyone heard of it? Must be a very quick car I would think!!

 

I would've thought so buddy. I remember someone put evo engine and running gear into a mk3 fiesta

 

And as if by magic

 

There is a guy called gari cottrill, he ran one in time attack in 2018 iirc

 

https://www.facebook.com/mk4gtir/

 

There is a 2wd evo powered 205 with 600 bhp.

 

looks good that does

 

I doubt il go the evo route as the parts are expensive

 

I dropped the TT 6 speed 02m out today so only the rear end to go, the haldex works off the abs sensors so is simple to get working and the boxes are good for 500 bhp.

 

The dsg setup from vw/Audi sounds good, works in this mk2 golf😮

 

All that fabrication and put a boring dsg in it? You need a stick shift.

 

It's doing 8.3s mate 166 mph that is seriously fast, they are boring but at that level it will make the car imo, stick shift never be as quick without flatshift and cost alot more money for a sequential box and flat shift, for going fast he's made tight choice I think incredible car

 

had a sequential box in it before, this is quicker

 

Focus RS mk3 gearbox etc on a zetec?

 

I didn’t mean in that, I mean the op making an escort 4x4 and going dsg...not the drag car, I get that.

 

Would love to know how far out that is at that then opens your doors for the quaife sequential :P

 

Depends what he wants from it mate, dsgs will I'm sure be alot cheaper than sequential box and more reliable