Guys check this out. I need a sequential box in my life and the way it takes off. Unreal

 

Absolutely awesome, it's still got the manual touch for man and machine unlike a dct which is disconnected a bit from the driving experience I find

If I hadn't bought my jm1600r this is exactly the sort of car I'd of had, looks great fun, and if that is making 955 hp at 1.8 bar on an efr 9180 then that is one seriously efficient motor aswell

 

Isn't it just mate. I'd love to see what it would make maxed out.

 

I drove my mate's rally car with a sequential box, it was epic. They are so much fun.

 

Efr 9180 is a 95lb turbo so I think 950 hp will be it's limit mate it must be flowing flat out already

 

squential flat shifting , is there a better driving experiance?

 

I’m guessing once moving, you don’t need a clutch and can you stay on WOT? I never tried staying on WOT on a bike I always used to let off when not using the clutch.

 

As long as they have ignition cut put in for shift then can flat shift just like a dct, I want one so bad lol

 

ah ok, I have flat shift on my B5 S4, it was savage at 350bhp and now I’m running 450bhp I just burn the clutch, the s4 box isn’t sequential but it does ignition cut, it feels so mechanically unsympathetic I can’t fathom what that’s like at 900+bhp, I bet it’s like being kicked in the stomach at every change

 

Is it a dog box ? I can't imagine smashing a h pattern synchro box through on flatshift

 

no mate, standard H pattern, you have to use the clutch as that sends the signal to the ecu to cut ignition, but you hold 100% throttle, push clutch, change gear and pull clutch up whilst keeping your foot flat on the accelerator, bit like rubbing your belly and patting your head at first but it maintains boost keeping the butterfly open, and the by-product is flames flying out the exhaust.

there is pictures of gearboxes that have been stripped and it’s makes some really bad wear patterns on the gears and is generally not great on the boxes regarding bearings and shafts, especially on stage 3 cars running around the 450bhp mark.

i now do a Lift-No Lift Shift so basically everything for flat shift but once I’ve shown off with flames coming out the exhaust i let off the accelerator saving my gearbox and my wallet

 

the rolling launch I think is fairly new on these ECU’s I know the Nissan and Jap boys have been playing with it for a while.

 

Rolling launch awesome the first time I tested it on a Cossie was quite fun😂

Mark

 

was it a big power car too? Some of the videos I’ve seen look interesting is there any real use apart from “watch this” factor?

i can imagine with 4wd you get a fair old clump of grip too

 

480hp tried it at 4K in 2nd😂instant grilled tyres lol.

Mark

 

What do you think to this skyline mate ? 955 hp at 1.8 bar on pump fuel on an efr 9180 on the 1.45 a/r housing

 

No turbo speed sensor on it and the turbo would be in over speed at that level and will fail and a largest walbro in tank won’t do that power. This is a quick observation without seeing all the real details. Fast car though as it should be with a large amount of power.

Mark

 

Did look very fun... but for a street car, not for me.

Obviously great for the drag strip but doesn’t it look like you lose some of the appeal of accelerating a turbocharged car? I know some are thinking WTF man but what I mean is I’ve seen big power skyline vids and that one didn’t have the drama of the acceleration (ie having to spool the turbo again) between gears.

I guess you could use the clutch and take it easier but aren’t these boxes designed to be shifted hard and fast?

It looks almost like it makes it one relentless (aside form the BANG) ride, no doubt still barmy but I like lag & spool and on the street it’s looking to me like that gbox is egging you on to do a top speed run every time you accelerate.

I’d have that gearbox up in court with me being cross examined by the prosecution! It was HIM!

 

I'm yet to drive one but it looks like a win win to me, the instant shift flat shifting of a dct gearbox with the feel of a manual shift
I certainly wouldn't want lag for the sake of lag lol


My Humber is a 4 speed auto with Hurst shifter and manual valve body, I drive it in the same way throttle flat to the floor and just pull back to go up the gears one at at time constant acceleration.

 

Could the turbo physically flow enough air for 955 hp at just 1.8 bar, I know the boost pressure is only the resistance of flow but even so seems a very low pressure to be running the turbo at flat out flow

 

Yeah, I know I’m a weirdo I’ve never got the problem with turbo lag it’s like foreplay. I wasn’t trying to be a downer on it just looked more suitable for the drag strip and a serious lead on to a jail time driving that on the road. You can see every time they go for it, they’re in the zone and go through the gearbox banging away like it’s how it has to be done. It doesn’t look like it lends itself to a chilled squirt on a Sunday.

I like to feel like I’m going faster than I am on the road rather than actually going silly fast. Talking to my mate about it not long ago, my old 320bhp classic STI feels nippy enough when it hits boost but his DSG Audi S3 would walk from me. Being in his car though it just feels so linear and you can hardly tell when it changes gear, it’s more akin to an electric car and it seems what modern car gearboxes want to achieve as it’s so quick it just stays in the turbo’s efficiency zone.

I’d probably go as far to say as I’m sure I’d enjoy the Aventador gearbox over the Hurracan. Again, sure the majority would think I’m stupid.

 

Being polite it’s rated to 940hp I would be surprised if it could do.
At 955hp on pump it’s all about airflow from turbo =shaft speed so turbo imo would deep in to over speed and the exhaust wheel will fall off as turbo running well beyond it safe limits.
Anyone that runs a 9180 past 800hp has to run a speed sensor imo or they are just playing with fire.

Mark

 

It baffles me a bit they say 3.0, big valves and big cams which would surely hurt response for more flow at high rpm, but then say it's making boost at 2400 rpm with virtually no lag !

The 0-60 in 3 seconds proves nothing I've done 3.2 with a stick shift h and 550 hp over 1.5 ton car

Id like to see some stats for it as 100-200 kph should be easily below 4 seconds for 950 hp in that car with sequential flat shift around 1.5 ton


I love it looks a fast car and great fun, but 950 hp, boost at 2400 rpm all from a 3 litre on pump fuel I didn't know it was possible to have all three of those things in a sentence, I would say only 2 of those things are physically possible .........

 

which 2 do you think? I'd like to think its genuinehand all true. Would like to see some states and graphs for it

 

I'm the same when it comes to turbo lumps. I don't like much modern turbo stuff, as it's so linear it's lost a bit of the old skool character. I also don't understand why people would fit a modern, super fast-spooling turbo to an old car like a Cosworth. For me, the whole character of the car is being a bit laggy and boosty. It's all part of the legend for me, so I wouldn't want to lose that.

I love a sequential box though, whatever it's in!

 

Even super fast spooling have obvious lag on the Cossie and when the boost comes in there is more of it, I think the character is the same and a good mapper can replicate whatever you like.

 

You have to remember....it's an internet video. So it's likely full of shit made up for the camera. A bit like old articles in a lot of magazines....they make stuff up so it reads better for the....well..sometimes I wonder who lol

 

To make it faster and better to drive and own ?

Win Win.

 

Thing is one man’s better is another man’s worse I guess. I prefer old school which is why I’m still driving round in a 20 year old STI & an 18 year old WRX when my mate has an S3’s with DSG box. But when I go out with him he’ll be in his van all the time, when I’ve got an opportunity to use my car I will as I still want to drive them after 7 & 6 years owning both.

When I was buying in the motor trade I drove hundreds of cars and would keep some a few days. I’d always get in a newish interesting car and think “I like this” that would last between 5 minutes and a couple of days.

If you’re striving for lightning fast gear changes and response you May as well just get something modern but it bores the tits off me to be honest. I do agree with the chap about a cossie, why aim to make one drive like a modern car.

There’s zero character in any of these new modern performance cars, everything looks the same under the bonnet compared to the rest of the model range and ‘good’ doesn’t equal driving pleasure to me.

 

If I wanted a car that was super responsive, I'd buy one that was like that I think. In my view (and I accept that we're all different), making a car faster doesn't necessarily make it better. Making it better to drive objectively doesn't make it better subjectively. My old Golf R was objectively better in every way than a Cossie, but I know which I would rather own. The boosty, laggy, 'kick in the back' from a Cossie on a period turbo is part of the appeal. Take that away and it's not a Cossie anymore to me. It's like my current daily smoker, a Clio RS 197. Loads of people put the engines from the Megane 225 in them. It makes them a lot faster and even more economical in some circumstances so, objectively, it probably makes it a better car. I have no interest in it though. Part of the appeal of the car is the revvy, normally aspirated engine. Fit a turbo lump and the character of the car is gone.

I'm sure plenty don't share my view though!