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Old Jun 25, 2015 | 10:01 PM
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Default Turbo seals are gone! Upgrade opinions please stage 2 or 3??

So looks like the turbo has been leaking oil into the intercooler and up the charge pipe .. the turbo seems to have shat itself

There's a few mm of play up and down and in and out. Looking to get the turbo rebuilt.

What's peoples opinions of stage 2 or a stage 3?

What kind of power does a stage 2/3 give?

If I go for a stage 3 will I have a shit load of lag?

Running fully forged steel bottom end so it has the potential to cope for 200+
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Old Jun 26, 2015 | 02:00 PM
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Is it definitely turbo and not a shit breather pumping oil vapour into metering head?
My T3 stg 3 (0.48/0.50) was very punchy indeed and loved to boost (20+psi). No noticeable lag, other than physical limits of any turbo engine. Would definitely recommend one. Opinion is 250bhp all day long with that unit and at its absolute limit 270.

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Old Jun 26, 2015 | 06:36 PM
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Stage 2 will do 220bhp stage 3 will just do 300bhp (with supporting parts) with a bit more lag, as you are changing turbo and going to the trouble of doing an EFI conversion I really would recommend choosing something other than OFAB mate, to get the most out of your engine and turbo.
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Old Jun 26, 2015 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl @ FPT
Stage 2 will do 220bhp stage 3 will just do 300bhp (with supporting parts) with a bit more lag, as you are changing turbo and going to the trouble of doing an EFI conversion I really would recommend choosing something other than OFAB mate, to get the most out of your engine and turbo.
Will be using ofab just to get the car up and running and to fix all the wiring issues ive been having for a while now with mfi as its been running like a dog.. I will be looking to upgrade injectors and ecu to suit my engine spec via ofam when i can afford to.
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Old Jun 30, 2015 | 06:00 PM
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stages mean nothing.

one mans stage 7 could be anothers 2. None out there to govern whats what.

SO Tej imo.

2wd front end I.e comp wheel and housing
360 thrust kit
step rear seal.
.48

my pal does the option of fitting a roller core but for your spec engine its not worth the extra $.
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Old Jun 30, 2015 | 08:41 PM
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Whilst what Jano says is correct most of us a pretty clear what the commonly referred to stages for an RST T3 are after all these years...

Stage 1 usually thrust bearing upgrade only.
Stage 2 50 comp .36 turbine + thrust.
Stage 3 55 Comp .48 turbine + thrust.

Some offer cut back turbine blades and some also do a 60 trim comp wheel too (not recommended).

What he describes above would be a stage 3 from the likes of Turbo Technics, CR Turbo's, etc.
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Old Jun 30, 2015 | 08:44 PM
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no stage three in most eyes would have 4x4 comp wheel and housing.

some would offer a re profiled std t3erst housing machined oit which will cause high act.

some will also use a differnt comp wheel (not 4x4) and claim it is.

u forget I worked at turbo re manufactors for over 3 years.
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Old Jun 30, 2015 | 08:45 PM
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so like I say your always better off asking and stating what you want otherwise you think you are getting what you asked for.

dont go by stages.
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Old Jun 30, 2015 | 09:10 PM
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That's a 60 trim and is not a good choice for an RST because of the risk of surge.
Hence 55/.48 is most common stage 3, feel free to check with TT or CR if you are not sure mate.

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Old Jul 1, 2015 | 05:42 AM
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risk of surge dont talk crap. Your just typing for something to do now. Check with TT and CR pmsl, been trading with them for 10 years no need to be checking thanks..

I have fitted these for 15 years on tiny engines and large engines without any surge issues lol.

on my own xr3 I have a 4x4 hybrid no surge.
my bantam has a t34.48 no surge
my s1 has a 4x4 hybrid no surge
my s2 has a 4x4 hybrid no surge.
saf is 4x4 obviously no surge.
escos has t35.55 no surge.

what engine are you claiming this happens on? Maybe you should try it and go less by what others say and start to gain your own experience.
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Old Jul 1, 2015 | 06:08 AM
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I have tried it years ago... and guess what happened? It surged!

Here's a quote from a conversation with Karl Norris about it afterwards...
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A 60 trim compressor wheel and 1600cc engine generally surge above about 18 psi. The correct compressor wheel for that spec engine on a 0.48 turbine is preferably a 50 trim if you want a BIG mid range boost spike without surge, or a 55 trim for a recommended held 22psi. The 60 trim compressor wheel is I'm affraid a very poor wheel in general.
Some of the examples you list are quite different to fitting it to a 1600cc RST too, Escos and a Saf?! lol
There is also another big difference between your examples and fitting a 60 trim to a RST T3... But I'm sure you know what that is.

It's not to say they cannot work because they can, I was just pointing out that most Stage 3's are 55/.48 not 60.

Maybe you should check, as you can see here Turbo Techincs stage 3 is a .48/55...




But hey what do I know.

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Old Jul 1, 2015 | 07:54 AM
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back to....one mans stage is not the same as the next.
hence my original reason for stating dont go by stages.
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looking at their data it shows a stage 4 using a .60 trim. Compare with other sites/rebuilders and its a stage 3.

just ask for what you want save the hassle and argument about poxy stages.
Who gives a flying fook what stage it is.
All i care is it does what its ment to.
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Old Jul 1, 2015 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Karl @ FPT

Some of the examples you list are quite different to fitting it to a 1600cc RST too, Escos and a Saf?! lol
There is also another big difference between your examples and fitting a 60 trim to a RST T3... But I'm sure you know what that is.

It's not to say they cannot work because they can, I was just pointing out that most Stage 3's are 55/.48 not 60.
so what your saying is years ago you tried it.
It didnt work for you so you tell everyone else its no good.
yet others get very good response and power etc. No surge and more power for the same money.
Then you go on to laugh that I have mentioned saff and esc cos. The reason is to open your mind a little into the fact that I have tried and fitted these to many engines and have a good experiance with them all.

Not just years ago it didnt work so I gave up and use what I was told to.

Also for your info I designed a hybrid T35 using iveco turbo mixed with a T3.55 exhaust housing about 10years ago that uses .60 with no surge and produces 276bhp still today from a 1.6cvh bolted to the same engine. Featured in 2006
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I have nothing to add to this other than Premier Inn are quite reasonable for rooms these days
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Old Jul 1, 2015 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Roscopeco
I have nothing to add to this other than Premier Inn are quite reasonable for rooms these days
hahahahahaha That's excellent!


No that's not what I'm saying Jano, your missing my point and I don't really have time to explain further so I'll just leave it there.

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Originally Posted by Roscopeco
I have nothing to add to this other than Premier Inn are quite reasonable for rooms these days
Might have Lenny Henry in the bed too.
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