One set of balls!!!! Pte awarded Victoria Cross!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...441055,00.html

 

Yeah heard that on the news!!! Proper proud People like that make our army the best in the world, take my hat of to them

 

 

amazing story

 

 

Seen it yesterday, one brave fcuker that bloke, thousands more just as brave though remember!!

 

Fair play to the guy, takes ALOT of bollocks to do something like that...

Pete...

 

Well deserved.

 

 

Well deserved indeed

 

truely amazing

 

What a hero!

 

 

 

hats off to the guy, well done

 

Absolutely brilliant! This story made the news over her in Canada as well. Nothing like the British forces

 

 

 

what a guy!

 

top man fair play, he deserves it 100%

 

My brother-in-law is a corpral in the army,He has been to Northern Ireland twise,germany 3 times,Afghanistan once and is currently due to fly out to Iraq for the second time, HE leaves his wife and child in Britain as do many of our guys,Yes this man Beharry DOES deserve the cross,(well done that very very brave man ) but so do alot of our other guys and im not talking about my Bro-in-law in particular,as he considers it his job,but ALL of the Army,RAF, Navy and the SAS people where ever they are.
We all say "i could do that job"but could we???

Respect to them all

 

hat of to the bloke but i will say this ,


DID NOT EARN A "VC"

VC's are awarded to people to carry out great acts above and beyond the call of duty and in exceptionall circumstances ,

Example , if he were a plain foot soldier, who's setion came under heavy fire , and he was to take controle of the vehicle and do all the brave stuff he did then yes!! , above and beyond ,

However he was the driver of the vehicle , and what did he do ?, drive it .

I am an ex engineer and their is a very famous picture portraying a horendus night during the second world war , 15000 men ( mostly engineers ) gave their lives building a bridge so as to mobalise the army , under constant attack , in plain view of the enemy, with no weapons ( as they were carrying bridge sections) , none of the men dead or alive recieved any form of medal even tho it was certain suicide to go any where near the bridge build ,

WHY , because they were engineers and building bridges was there job ,

Fact

 

sorry if this offends

 

I disagree Lee, It's above and beyond the call of duty. Where others would have/could have wimped out and took the easy option, he didn't. He put others lives in front of his own on more than one occasion. Outstanding service to Queen and country.

Whilst others have still risked their lives, I disagree that he didn't deserve it. If I'd have been in his position, I don't think I could have done what he did.

 

I think what lee is getting at is theres other people that have done braver selfless acts that havnt been rewarded a thing.

 

it was instinct mate ,

Not a concious effort or pre thought .



If you were in a motorway pile up , would you pull one o your mates out of the smashd up car , even tho doing so may cause you more harm ????

probably yes ,

He was brave , very and i hope i would have done the same thing in his position but he only did his job .

 

Aye, I guess I understand what you're saying.

I think it's the distinction between being a run-of-the-mill soldier, whom you wouldn't expect it from, and for the sake of example, Special Forces, who doubtless would do the same thing.

 

I can see lee's point entirely, however i dont think this case boils down to job desciption. Human nature is flight or fight and MOST would choose Flight. This guy has more than fulfilled the description of a V.C award (IMO)

Concious effort or instinct are massively differnet from person to person, one persons instinct will be anothers concious choice and the average forces training can't alter this(In many cases)

I dont think anyone would argue he was superbly brave and courageous in his acts, and the powers that be are more than justifiable in there actions of awarding him a V.C.

Sadly many acts of bravery go unaccounted for both during times of war and less publicised conflicts, you seem understandably to be attached to your former unit.

This is obviously a senstive subject and everyone will have massively differing opinions on it, but everyone should be massively grateful for people like (And the "Day to Day" soldiers) this in our armed forces.

 

I seem have been taken out of context. My grandad was SF in WW2, and was rewarded as such, I wasn't trying to take anything away from anyone who puts their life at risk for the country, whether footsoldier or SAS, they all deserve respect.

Just saying that as a rule, when put in an extreme situation, if you're not trained for it, your natural instinct would be to get the hell out of there. Self-preservation, strongest instinct in any man, army or not.

 

The papers over here in Canada said this was the first VC in a number of years (cant remember exactly - but it seemed a long time).

I can see Lee's point of view - but my own opinion is that perhaps the powers that be should be giving out more medals. Perhaps the selection process is whats at fault. I am sure there are deserving individuals that go un-noticed.

Seems to me this guy deserves to be recognised. As has been said, perhaps some of it is instinct - but the fact is, he showed the very best side of human nature under extraordinary circumstances.

Could only hope I would do the same. Our forces certainly rock - and are recognised here in Canada as amongst the very best

 

so what i think we have established is that more people ned to be recognised for their great acts of courage ,

be it one of the armed services , or indeed a civil service , fire bregade , police , ambulance etc

Unfortunatly the powers that be seem to forget about such people , Also i just cant help think that the desicion to award this particular VC was a political one ,

with the bad name soldiers have been getting over there a highly publicised award might have been given to say " were not so bad ."

Perhaps a GEORGE CROSS would have been more fitting .

 

well done m8.. but surly for his efforts he should be awared the puple cross? medal of honor? or something on the lines of high gratitude.. proud of ya m8..

 

 

Agreed , but theyre both American awards ,

 

Lee @ Fusion, agreed what with the bad press and an election coming up which no doubt iraq will feature in i think labours publicity dept had a bearing on the decision to award a vc.

 

Wether it is right or wrong for us to be in Iraq,

Our boys are out there putting there asses on the line and ALL of them are heros IMO