Ford Sierra/Sapphire/RS500 Cosworth This forum is for discussion of all things pertaining to the Ford Sierra Cosworth.

more oil than petrol???!!!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 5, 2004 | 10:59 PM
  #1  
Anonymous's Avatar
Anonymous
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 142
Likes: 1
Default more oil than petrol???!!!

Mt stage3 3dr uses about a litre of 15/50 oil every 300 miles!!??

my old mans got a stage1 saff that doesn't use any

is this normal or am i looking for new rings soon
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2004 | 12:38 PM
  #2  
discodenkelly's Avatar
discodenkelly
bounce, bounce, bounce
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,472
Likes: 0
From: York
Default

Something wrong there dude, I would get it checked out sharpish!
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2004 | 07:14 PM
  #3  
plater's Avatar
plater
I'm Finding My Feet Here Now
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 119
Likes: 0
Default

All turbo charged engines use some oil, depending on their condition and the owners driving style. Your dad's saf will use some but probably so little that its barely noticeable. Unfortunately, Your car sounds in pretty poor shape. Ford manuals used to quote that the cosworth engine could consume up to 1 litre of oil every 6oo miles but i've yet to see a road going one that ever used that much day to day....... Either you have a very nasty leak somewhere, or the internals are worn and in need of a rebuild
Reply
Old Apr 6, 2004 | 09:04 PM
  #4  
the saint's Avatar
the saint
Advanced PassionFord User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,121
Likes: 0
From: new milton, hampshire
Default

i use 15/50 oil and use my car every day and i`d say i use about a litre in 5-600 miles and i thought that was bad lol

i would just keep topping it up and using it until something happens mate..........
Reply
Old Apr 7, 2004 | 08:40 PM
  #5  
plater's Avatar
plater
I'm Finding My Feet Here Now
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 119
Likes: 0
Default

That's good advice Saint, Oil is not that expensive and as long as its checked regularly and topped up when it needs it then the engine will probably last for years. My 4x4 uses , on average, half a pint every 1000 miles or so , which i reckon is pretty good for a 12 year old , 150mph car with 134,000 miles on the clock

Reply
Old Apr 8, 2004 | 01:19 AM
  #6  
discodenkelly's Avatar
discodenkelly
bounce, bounce, bounce
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,472
Likes: 0
From: York
Default

Mine probably uses a litre every 1500 or so. I don't keep tabs to be honest, just check it every time I use it and top up as needed. Tis better than having to rebuild it when it goes bang cos there's not enough in it. Been there done that and bought the T-shirt
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2004 | 04:20 PM
  #7  
PJay's Avatar
PJay
Virgin
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
From: hertfordshire
Default

How many times do you wanna show that picture
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2004 | 04:37 PM
  #8  
Anonymous's Avatar
Anonymous
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 142
Likes: 1
Default

My stage 3 cossie uses about 1 litre to every tankfull, but I do drive it hard. I've noticed a slight bit of play in the turbo shaft and the sump does leak a bit.... so I guess it does use a bit more than what its supposed to??

I've been advised that you should fill your oil to the 1/2 way mark on the dipstick if your caning it and about 2/3 if your motorway driving.

Who agrees with this?

Does anyone here suffer from the oil level on the dipstick fluctuating. What I mean is... you check your oil from cold.... notice its low, its about 1/2 litre min 2 max right? Then you add what you think is right.... check it and the level is where you want it!..... Then you drive it for a few miles say.. then check it again and its over the max....???? I dont get it.... why can't anyone come up with a oil level gauge! (COME ON FORD RACING GET YA FINGA OUT!)

Does anyone else suffer with dodgy oil readings, consumptions?
Reply
Old Apr 10, 2004 | 07:32 AM
  #9  
STUCOS's Avatar
STUCOS
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 5,061
Likes: 0
From: side way some were in tayside
Default

HYBRiD T a lot of hgv's come with oil level gagues and are not to be trusted,i mean are we to lazy to check a dipstick,any way as to oil use if you find it a bit to much try using the correct oil which is 10w 60 ,problem then solved

cheeRS stu
Reply
Old Apr 10, 2004 | 01:56 PM
  #10  
Anonymous's Avatar
Anonymous
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 142
Likes: 1
Default

Yeah I appreciate what your saying, but Renaults have had accurate oil level gauges for over 10 years.... I have never used another oil other than Castrol 10w/60 or Mobil 1 Motorsport 15w/50.

So would you say that my oil consumtion is excessive?
Reply
Old Apr 10, 2004 | 02:50 PM
  #11  
STUCOS's Avatar
STUCOS
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 5,061
Likes: 0
From: side way some were in tayside
Default

what are you getting to the tank,i get about 220 to the tank,also if mixture is wrong the petrol could be washing the oil in the bores,this is how a cossie on gray,s usually uses more oil

cheeRS stu
Reply
Old Apr 10, 2004 | 05:29 PM
  #12  
Anonymous's Avatar
Anonymous
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 142
Likes: 1
Default

Yeah I understand what you mean about the greys, i've only got 803's but yeah I havn't had the mixture checked in a while and I do occasionally get a puff of black smoke when I back off. The stem seals are brand new, so I guess it must be running a little rich. Would play in the turbo shaft cause the turbo to use more oil than normal?

I have found oil in the turbo air inlet pipe and thought that maybe the breather system that was already on the car, (which consisted of a separator and 3 pipes, one of which went into a K&N filter) might of had something to do with the excess oil consumption. What does anyone think?

I can get about 300 miles out of a tank, but most of the time about 200. I havn't had the mixture checked since my stage 3. I'm just about to fit a Group A K&N cone and Spec-R breather system, hoping that this will rectify the problem.

Fingers crossed!
Reply
Old Apr 10, 2004 | 09:11 PM
  #13  
JamesH's Avatar
JamesH
10K+ Poster!!
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 10,807
Likes: 8
From: .
Default

Originally Posted by .:Paul:.
How many times do you wanna show that picture
Just what I was thinking!!!!
Reply
Old Apr 11, 2004 | 07:21 PM
  #14  
STUCOS's Avatar
STUCOS
PassionFord Post Whore!!
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 5,061
Likes: 0
From: side way some were in tayside
Default

hydrId i found that my 3dr used less oil once i got it set up after fitting stage 3,you say you have new stem seals but what about the valve guides have these been replaced and what sort of milage has your engine done

cheeRS stu

p.s. there souldn,t be any oil in boost pipes
Reply
Old Apr 11, 2004 | 08:14 PM
  #15  
Anonymous's Avatar
Anonymous
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 142
Likes: 1
Default

Engines done 65k. As far as I know its never been rebuilt. When I replaced the head gasket, the guides were sound. Had the head checked by PJ Motorsport and it came back with the thumbs up.

The only way I can see the oil getting there is through the breather system, which i've now changed. Havn't driven the motor yet as i'm still in the process of fitting some new bits. So I guess when I drive the motor next i'll find out whether or not the old breather system was the cause.
Reply
Old Apr 12, 2004 | 10:44 PM
  #16  
Anonymous's Avatar
Anonymous
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 142
Likes: 1
Default

The strange thing is that the car is absolutely mint, it runs perfectly and pulls like a train. It smokes slightly if i really open it up but thats it.

Would fitting a breather kit from baileys or alike help matters?
Reply
Old Apr 14, 2004 | 05:09 PM
  #17  
righthooker's Avatar
righthooker
PassionFord Post Whore!!
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 4,349
Likes: 1
From: middlesbrough
Default

feel much better after finding out that other peoples 3 doors use more oil than mine ,i was begining to wory over my .5 litre every 800 or so
Reply
Old Apr 14, 2004 | 08:36 PM
  #18  
Anonymous's Avatar
Anonymous
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 142
Likes: 1
Default

Never used to use ANY in mine at all,even on track days,that was in std. spec. Since i had it rebuilt and stg.1 uses a canny bit,can't remember how much cos i haven't used it for 6 months! Doesn't visibly burn it tho and haven't got any leaks
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Brickhouse
General Car Related Discussion.
14
Oct 3, 2015 07:28 PM
DAZZER
Ford Escort RS Turbo
5
Sep 30, 2015 08:43 PM
Fudgey
General Car Related Discussion.
21
Sep 30, 2015 06:19 PM
deathrider666
Technical help Q & A
3
Sep 28, 2015 06:12 PM




All times are GMT. The time now is 08:20 AM.