http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10184803.stm

 

still gotta be better to get it banned.

 

yes, I agree, but I hate to think the press forced it, not proper research.

 

media panic has a lot to answer for how fucked up this country is.

Its not just drugs, its guns, pedo paranoia, ASBO culture, the lot!!

Once the media gets its claws in, the government has to act or else they get slated by the press.

 

I see no point making these substances illegal, it will just keep moving on to another and another until the things kids are taking are even worse side effects etc

 

Whether the press forced it or not, I think we all agree it was the right thing to do.

To many youngsters these days trying these new "designer" drugs before any research has been done on the long term effects.

On this one occasion I'm glad it got banned as quick as it did.

Big-Dan.

 

take has much as u want!!!! id rather stay as i am.

 

I don't agree at all and I've taken it. So all that noise from the Sun and the likes and they didn't even take it? Typical. Alcohol and cigarettes should be banned, they're killing more people than any of them.

Wasn't the right thing to do at all. Its an unbelievable drug and the feeling makes having some beers seem like a joke, no hangover either or need for silly pints of water before bed. Drugs that are highly addictive as well as dangerous should surely be looked at. Tax talks.

 

hmm maybe your name should be skag pal. condoneing drug taking of any kind to young people is a big no no as many will develope mental problems due to the drugs legal or not. i have a problem with a lad at work at the moment he was a sound bloke 18 mths ago now he is a scitso thretening to hit fellow workers claiming they are out to get him and much much more. he is delusional and paranoid and all due to stuff he has taken. so in no way can you tell me they are good get a grip and listen to yourself

 

Badnews, how do you feel about alcohol, the other commonly used "legal high" drug?


I see no reason that these products should be illegal and alcohol isnt.

 

obviously anything taken to excess will be bad for you not everyone taking a few illegal highs will turn into a schizo smack head just like not everyone drinking the odd beer will turn into an alchy.
you make your own choices and your responsible for your own path. just dont use whatever substance as a handy get out clause to excuse yourself.

 

Skag? Call me what you want, Lampchop does but I bet I take less drugs per week than majority of this board. Last drank on new years day, never smoked cigarettes and don't consume caffeine. I sampled 5g of mephedrone in total and now its banned don't have it. I'm not saying I recommend young people or kids take it at all. Just saying that:

1). Mephedrone was not responsible, it was other drugs, a cocktail of drugs or overdose stupidty.
2). Alcohol and tobacco/nicotine should be banned more than some illegal drugs.
3). Banning it just makes it MORE dangerous as it will now be cut with all kinds, as well as forcing people into dealers hands.
4). It pisses on booze as a drug in many ways.
5). No problem with it being banned, its the way it was banned IMO.


Totally agree. OK its been on BBC news that it didn't kill the two lads after all but its no way been all over the Sun, Daily mail etc like when they put headlines of "meow kills 2 more people". Its exactly the same crap as with ecstasy before, they said it killed you if you took it and killed all these people but fast forward a decade or two and there are loads taking E every weekend and not dying, funny that.

What's even funnier is that I only went searching for Mephedrone sites after they printed all that in the paper, they made even more take it doing that.

Even the medical experts and scientists said drugs like MDMA were safer than alcohol on BBC's Horizon Documentary and the governments drugs advisor but that doesn't fit with what they want does it.

 

Oh and Badnews, you didn't mention what drug or drugs that bloke you know has been taking. If its Heroin, Cocaine, Crack or barbiturates then I agree they are bad news (no pun etc) and should be banned forever.

 

mate i think banning it is a bitch,,,,,, as i cant find anywhere else to get it now,,,,,, anoying as it was good for some nights out if you was in one of them moods,,,,, i aint killed anyone on it nor have i died,,,,,, and i have taken alot of it over time

now i guess its back to coke,,,,, totally cut with anything, grams that actually weigh .6 maybe .7 of a gram,,,,,,, and WAY over priced for a very short buzz that means you are always in the toilet and so more chance of getting caught

i fucking wish i bought 500 grams of the stuff so i would have had enough to keep me going for a few years

 

Why do you feel the need to take it anyway though

Big-Dan.

 

i dont "feel the need" to take it, i take it on nights out as i can drink ALOT and i make a fucking HUGE cunt of myself,,,,,, on meth im the opposite,,,, i dont fight everyone when i get annoyed and im not a pissed off my face person looking a state not to forget that i also dont spend 100 quid a night on beer by buying rounds and some never buying back,,,, and me just being generous as i always am

tonight im going to a car cruise,,,,, im not going on the lash with anything even though i have been asked if i wanna go out on the lash,,,

i never have a starter but if i go toa resturant i will ALWAYS order a starter for some reason,,,, guess its just part of the "thing" that helps to make a good night

im sort of a former addict in some respects as when i was 18 i spent over 30k in loans ect on cocaine and pills but then i gave them up totally at the age of 21,,,,,,till i was around 28ish when beer started to turn me into a tosser and make me angry/agressive/looking for fights rather than enjoying the nights out

even nikki was suprised the difference in me and she would rather i didnt get just drunk and she is/was anti drugs apart from me as it seems to be the better of a shite option

 

Do you drink Dan? if so why do you feel the need to do it?

 

well a good few dead teens from ingesting crap into their bodies is a good thing IMO. The stupid ones will end up dead. the sensible ones will check what they are putting in their bodies before they do it ie make an informed choice.

thats because most of them are not taking E they just think they are theres plenty on here who will testify how hard it is to get genuine MDMA.

stupidity kills off the idiots - just not as quick as wed like!!

 

There is a case currently on it's way to Crown Court involving a bloke called Edd Stratton who is challenging how the misuse of drugs act descriminates between drugs, legal ones included. Could get interesting.

 

At the moment no.

When I have had a drink in the past it has only ever been for social reasons, i.e I've been with another person who was also drinking.

Big-Dan.

 

Well thats the same reason I do gear,it's called recreational drug taking, whats the differance?

 

The main difference is that one is an legal substance, the other is not.

Before you say it I WOULDN'T be upset or enraged if they banned drinking.

As I said above, I'm glad it was banned, if it had of remained legal then every Tom, dick and Harry would be doing it all hours of the day.

There have been kids as young as 11 doing it local to me but I guess that comes with the territory when you live on a council estate.

Big-Dan.

 

Hmmm, banning it would not have sorted anything, I can get m kat, it's now made in England, but not as pure, yes it has gone up from Ł10 to Ł20, but it has done one thing got it away from the 11year olds, to 16 year dealers now!

There is to much money to be made in legal highs, there is MDIE, you can buy on line, which is fucking close to MDMA, you cannot stop it mate.

People need a release some times, and drink is fucking wank

 

Very true.

I spent over a month or so replacing alcohol with mephedrone with a few friends (Male and female, aged 18-24), instead of going out on the town we found that we'd either go and sit somewhere nice in the cars for hours and hours on end, or stay in watching films and talk for HOURS! All of us had stuff on our chests at the time, and one night in particular we spent from about 8pm til 12pm the next day talking about things non stop.

Got a lot out in the open, and sorted a LOT of stuff out... Something that would 99% not had happened on alcohol etc. Very interesting drug IMO!

 

In all honesty in regards to most drugs it's the uneducated scummers that let you "recreational users" down. I know a load if 16-18 year olds that can't read to a suffice level or do simple math yet they can roll a 2 sheeter and make a bong thing out of a coke bottle and a carrier bag.

People are always going to be able to get hold of drugs, not as many will now if they've got to meet a dodgy geezer instead of buying it on the net though. Which is a good thing IMO.

I'm also a firm believer that once you try one particular drug, you'll more than likely go on to do another. In some cases this isn't an issue but in others it is, smack heads don't become smack heads over night.

Big-Dan.

 

Going of topic slightly I think the government should set up certain areas in the country where the likes of cannabis and prostitution should be legal to take/use.kind of like Amsterdam. A system which allows you to put money on to a some sort of payment card should be used to pay for them. This way the government can control what is being taken, prostitutes work in a safe environment. At the end of the day people are always going to take/use theses things so may as well make some money out of it and make it a little safer to do so. Obviously it wouldn't be quite so simple to do this

 

I get the general idea mate and also agree to some extent.

It will never happen though, not in your lifetime anyway.

Big-Dan.

 

I just loose all respect for people who feel the need to take drugs, personally I think it's fucking sad that you need to be smacked off your tits to have a good time. I go out drinking and have a good time, not had any real trouble for the last 12 years..... Too many people blame drugs/booze for thier behaviour, IMHO if you are a tosser sober, it's only going one way when you take drugs or get pissed...

Can't see the appeal myself ...

 

make it legal, know to the masses, tax it and put it up for sale in licensed places, then see how much worse it is than alcohol.

whenever something is as accessible as alcohol it will create a problem.

Smoking is rapidly becoming unfashionable so it will get less and less. drinking however is always going to be mega.

Just like all drugs would if they were so widely accessible and thought of in the same way as alcohol.

 

in a controlled environment maybe its not so much of a problem, And it depends just how hard the gear as you put it is!

i think if we was promoting smack heads there could be a problem here.

Im sure a bit of cannabis isnt too much of a problem although i saw my brother and all his greenhead pals turn from youngsters into braindead morons that depended on the disgusting shit!.

 

I dont think i have ever agreed with a comment on here more than this one.

Its usually the ones that are outcasts in any group other than that group.

Or the ones that reckon they cant have a good time without it.

 

We all need a release, If you don't get one you will go off the rails, may it be building train sets, modding cossies, drinking, taking drugs what ever it is, but all need it.

what ever fits your needs, but they all can get out of hand if your the type, spending 40k on your cossie is a drug, we all need a buzz to make us get though things.

I like doing gear, I reseach every thing I do, I don't do things which will do me harm, all drugs and I mean all drugs will not do you any harm, even browns, if you do it evey now and again, but browns will fuck you as your brain will love it, just like smoking once you have done a couple you cannot stop.

Kat is not a bad drug at all, all the stuff I have read, the only real issue is doing to much and your heart rate going to high, but coke will do the same.

 

I don't agree nor disagree. Yeah ive drunk allot, become a habit after work.. every night, every weekend, even a Sunday!. And yeah i've done certain drugs, and do love a spliff now and again.

difference is, i know when and how to stop. If i fancy one, ill have one, but i know when to say no and when to say ''ive had enuff, with drink, certain drugs.. ect

But too many young children, who aint even out of school yet doing things like this. Trouble is, the hard nuts at school make others take it, and them who are scared take it, them who think its cool, take it. and once you know it, everyone is taking it.

 

If all the teens and rough lot round your way die early then you'll run out of people to set up traps on or torture.


You what, you lose all respect for people who feel the need to take drugs but you go out and take an addictive drug yourself that is also dangerous?

Its the same thing mate and differing laws don't change what something is and why people take it. If you didn't do any drug legal or illegal then I'd except your view but as its contradictory, I don't.

 

I bought 1g off the web as I said in that other topic a while back then as its was good got some more a bit later. When they announced a ban date I bought 2g's to make the most of it which even though it was only 2g's was a bit of a mistake. Because I had it I re dosed a few times, had about 1-1.5g, eyeballing it rather than measured. Silly to do but I was OK, and every time it come up just as before.

I think its better than Ecstasy pills myself, it doesn't last as long but that initial hour is off the scale. Proper wave of Euphoria, more intense and then after the hour its like a milder high for 1-2 hours if lucky. I only dropped it though not snorted. First time I put it in a small amount of drink, taste was horrible but come up within 15 minutes and timed it, crazy.

Hadn't done any illegal drugs since I was at uni a good few years ago so it properly blew me away as you can imagine.