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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 01:10 PM
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my car is driving like shit! its 2wd, i poly bushed the rear beam and arms last year and it has nt been the same since,but it was useable, but its alot worst now,the front is all poly bushed too,new tca s, 4 new tyres, hankooks on the rear and toyos on the front,poly diff mount,everything is like new, no movement on any suspension parts anywhere when i ve had it on the lift also had the steering lined. it seems fine through the gears but once it starts picking up a bit of speed 100mph or that it starts wondering all over the road, its got koni s all round , not sure on the springs, startin to really piss me off, no confidence at all when driving it! rear legs are fine to , no rot! what should i try next cause im baffled
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Im gonna change the rear springs on mine apparently the koni ones aren,t great maybe its them? presuming urs are koni,s . Think its the avo team dynamics 'std height' that are recommended not 100% sure tho , and also they are still lower than std ride height. Sounds as if you,ve covered most things , im sure someone on here can shed more light on this

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get ya rear trak checked sum times the rear can be out witch can caus a crabing efect ?
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The major "floaty" feeling from the rear at speed can be caused by weak springs, and the soft rear ARB.
Opposite lock went in my car, and I'm sure will tell you it was 100% stable even well over 100, on a private road, this stability cam about due to the 22mm rear arb, I used the car for 1 month each with 16mm arb, then 18mm arb, then 22mm adjustable arb on mid setting, at which it is the same as a escos one, the high speed stability was awsome, long sweeping bends on private roads at 150 no problem, 10,000% more stable, not found a downside yet despite what everyone told me, I do have coilys and run 200lb on the rear.
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did you poly bush the rear arms. this could be your problem.
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did you poly bush the rear arms. this could be your problem.
yes but over a year ago maybe even 2 years ago now,and the car has done nothing in that time,this wondering has started in the past month or so , everything under the car is still as new
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sounds a tad like mine, its pulls like a fucker to the left since its been polybushed!
Mine handles nice though.
Fatmike, as far as i know the rear track isn;t adjustable as standard?
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sounds a tad like mine, its pulls like a fucker to the left since its been polybushed!
Mine handles nice though.
Fatmike, as far as i know the rear track isn;t adjustable as standard?
my car was never the same after i polyed the rear tbh,used to sit at serious speeds thinking the car was on rails before this, but it was never as bad as it is now, maybe try a new set of springs!
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not having much luck with it with it lately dan? hows things with you?
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As said poly bushing the rear arms could be the problem as std they are fitted with a sort of spherical bearing not a bush, also what make of bushes did you fit to the beam? my mate fitted some of those orange ones to the beam and rear arms and it made the car feel terrible, noticeably worse than the knackered std bushes he took out.
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so do you s all think my problem is coming from the rear? forgot to mention the car a gripper diff too!
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not having much luck with it with it lately dan? hows things with you?
no luck at all, see through it if the car got lots of driving,but i d say if i did 1000mile last year that would be it,and treated better than wean
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As said poly bushing the rear arms could be the problem as std they are fitted with a sort of spherical bearing not a bush, also what make of bushes did you fit to the beam? my mate fitted some of those orange ones to the beam and rear arms and it made the car feel terrible, noticeably worse than the knackered std bushes he took out.
yeah its them orange ones, flo-flex is nt it, but my mate put in the same as me and his is fine
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if i thought the bushes that ggr sells would fix it id splash out on them,think they are Ł80 a timeso thats Ł320!!!!
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Its more than likely the rear arm bushes. The standard ones are far better than any polybush on the market. IIRC you can get either the inner or the outers from Ford, but only one type, the other is discontinued....
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Originally Posted by WongRS
sounds a tad like mine, its pulls like a fucker to the left since its been polybushed!
Mine handles nice though.
Fatmike, as far as i know the rear track isn;t adjustable as standard?
if one of the trailing armes or hubs is slightly bent it could throw the rear track out thats what i ment lol
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so do you s all think my problem is coming from the rear? forgot to mention the car a gripper diff too!
just going off subject my pal had a saph just like yours a few years ago, gripper diff. Had a lovely full respray ? Hope you solve your ride issue
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Originally Posted by tabetha
The major "floaty" feeling from the rear at speed can be caused by weak springs, and the soft rear ARB.
Opposite lock went in my car, and I'm sure will tell you it was 100% stable even well over 100, on a private road, this stability cam about due to the 22mm rear arb, I used the car for 1 month each with 16mm arb, then 18mm arb, then 22mm adjustable arb on mid setting, at which it is the same as a escos one, the high speed stability was awsome, long sweeping bends on private roads at 150 no problem, 10,000% more stable, not found a downside yet despite what everyone told me, I do have coilys and run 200lb on the rear.
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Yep your car felt so in control although a little hard imo for me . Makes mine feel like jelly , we couldn,t believe the speedo tbh lol!
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Originally Posted by opposite lock
just going off subject my pal had a saph just like yours a few years ago, gripper diff. Had a lovely full respray ? Hope you solve your ride issue
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my car came from wales mate and i got the diff off a lad on here, cheers bud
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Originally Posted by Paul_RS
Its more than likely the rear arm bushes. The standard ones are far better than any polybush on the market. IIRC you can get either the inner or the outers from Ford, but only one type, the other is discontinued....
but why has it got bad all of a sudden?the rear arms havnt any movement ! i m just in from the garage and the only thing i came across is one off the rear koni s is alot softer than the other,its not leaking but is def softer! could this be my problem? thanks for all your replys lads

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You could try readjusting both back shocks evenly, despite not having been touched, may have got altered somehow and it's free!

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have you done the steering bush dan?
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by james kiely
have you done the steering bush dan?
the steering column one?? no james!will have a look at that tomorrow,my heads fryed
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Originally Posted by martysmartie
You could try readjusting both back shocks evenly, despite not having been touched, may have got altered somehow and it's free!

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i think one is fucked mate, making like a squelching noise!
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rear bushes are meant to be spherical/ solid, poybushing them is your problem
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also a fooked shock wont help, but defo your bushes at fault imo
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cheap poly bushes?they wear \quick and are cheap cos they arent that good,i poly bushed my whole 2wd saph with powerflex bushes and it was on rails.my old rack had play on 1 side,no knocking or anything,this caused wandering and twitchyness when hitting cats eyes,check that.possibly the uprated bushes have shown up a weakness elsewhere.
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had the same problem, car was all over the road giving no confidence and braking was quite scary. was one of the steering rack bushes i think its called. poly´d it and was fine

later had a new set of toyo t1-r fitted on the back and i was back again, no responce from the rear making highspeed lane shifting very unstable. have always used the toyo´s but something must av been wrong with this set, went back to originals and traction was fine again.
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Originally Posted by Papillon
had the same problem, car was all over the road giving no confidence and braking was quite scary. was one of the steering rack bushes i think its called. poly´d it and was fine

later had a new set of toyo t1-r fitted on the back and i was back again, no responce from the rear making highspeed lane shifting very unstable. have always used the toyo´s but something must av been wrong with this set, went back to originals and traction was fine again.
Quite a lot of people complained about poor stability after fitting Toyo T1R tyres going back some years. IIRC Stu ( MSD ) was one of the people who noticed this on their own Cosworth. Sidewall flex or similar
I'm not sure if they improved them after but I do know some people who still aren't impressed by them and have gone for Flaken FK452 as a similar priced replacement
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Ive always had them but this time there was a significant change, maybe because i didnt have it streched had 215 on 8" rim, now went up to 225, it was a nightmare. Was looking for some falkens but got hold of some eagle f1 even cheaper
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I had the same problem when i fitted new bushes on my xr2 , felt so unsafe etc .


Your problem is them rear bushes , you have also fitted the cheaper ones which imo i would never fit to my 3 door . they warp and split after a short period of time . as people have said above the rear arms are fitted with a bearing bush .

Change them asap along with your shock. or look to see whos breaking a cossie and just get the arms complete .
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only inner one's available at ford, iv'e just had some.
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iv'e got some nearly new lowered rear springs and 1 good koni shock Ł50 + postage if your interested.
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Graham goode has the inner and outer bushes for rear arms.
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any update dan?
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well when i actually got round to checking the car over again i found the shaft was nt out at all,so i put the t1r s on thr rear and hankook v 12 s on the front,believe it or not that sorted my problem,strange how some tyres just dont agree with some cars!
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result dan,i never thought tyres ,especially good makes would make that kind of a difference mate .

are you feeling the love again now dan lol?
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result dan,i never thought tyres ,especially good makes would make that kind of a difference mate .

are you feeling the love again now dan lol?
oh yes all happy again lol, out for a blast this evening and it def brings a smile back, only thing is the super unleaded is Ł1.40 not so good
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yes dan petrol is sneaking up all the time recentley,i put 40 euros in the other day and it only went over quater full
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