AFR Gauge price
22-01-2010, 02:12 PM
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from what i hear the best is innovate motorsports, great for datalogging and pretty accurate
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/x...cat=273&page=1
$229 so prob by the time you get it over here with shipping etc it will be close to £200
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/x...cat=273&page=1
$229 so prob by the time you get it over here with shipping etc it will be close to £200
22-01-2010, 02:15 PM
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i wouldnt fucking bother with one of them mate, bought one a while back and never got it working
i had a aem one on my seires 2 it was spot on well worth the money
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...Ig3k7oOY9FF-Sw
they are cheaper on egay
i had a aem one on my seires 2 it was spot on well worth the money
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...Ig3k7oOY9FF-Sw
they are cheaper on egay
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22-01-2010, 03:20 PM
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I have used a number of innovate wideband products and never had an issue with any of them,
I use the LM-2 for troubleshooting on my car a lot of the time, saves taking the car to a dyno all the time i want to check something as i can select what to log over my odb2 port and it can take other inputs as well as having its own wideband sensor,
and i have a LC-1 wideband controller and blue DB gauge permenantly installed in the car,
good stuff, fiddly to install as the instructions in the quick start guide werent the best, wasnt until i found the ful manual on the disc that i got it setup and working,
But its been trouble free since it was installed.
I use the LM-2 for troubleshooting on my car a lot of the time, saves taking the car to a dyno all the time i want to check something as i can select what to log over my odb2 port and it can take other inputs as well as having its own wideband sensor,
and i have a LC-1 wideband controller and blue DB gauge permenantly installed in the car,
good stuff, fiddly to install as the instructions in the quick start guide werent the best, wasnt until i found the ful manual on the disc that i got it setup and working,
But its been trouble free since it was installed.
22-01-2010, 04:25 PM
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Stack ones are just the same as AEM, Zeitronix and other analogue gauges.
I'm an instrumentation engineer, and in my opinion the Innovate is head and shoulders above the rest. Two things to consider: Analogue gauges (ie supplied with a DC voltage) need very robust wiring otherwise the reading will be skewed - i see this all the time. Avoid these problems by using a serial/digital gauge like the XD16 which is not effected by ground offsets etc.
Secondly, when i'm mapping cars, I go through sensors farily often. This is to be expected, these sensors do not tolerate rich mixtures, missfires, extreme EGT's etc. Pro tuners will change these sensors after 8-12 hours of use. They don't fail instanlty, but the pump current in the cell which is used to catalyse the gas being measured starts to vary for a given AFR. In laymans terms, the reading drifts over time. Innovate uses signal processing which detects these drifts and will then give an error message.
In practise, this error detection may be a little over sensitive but it's much better for me to see no reading rather than a false reading.
The majority of AFR gauges will read accurately when new, it's what happens after a few weeks use where things start to get interesting.
Rick.
I'm an instrumentation engineer, and in my opinion the Innovate is head and shoulders above the rest. Two things to consider: Analogue gauges (ie supplied with a DC voltage) need very robust wiring otherwise the reading will be skewed - i see this all the time. Avoid these problems by using a serial/digital gauge like the XD16 which is not effected by ground offsets etc.
Secondly, when i'm mapping cars, I go through sensors farily often. This is to be expected, these sensors do not tolerate rich mixtures, missfires, extreme EGT's etc. Pro tuners will change these sensors after 8-12 hours of use. They don't fail instanlty, but the pump current in the cell which is used to catalyse the gas being measured starts to vary for a given AFR. In laymans terms, the reading drifts over time. Innovate uses signal processing which detects these drifts and will then give an error message.
In practise, this error detection may be a little over sensitive but it's much better for me to see no reading rather than a false reading.
The majority of AFR gauges will read accurately when new, it's what happens after a few weeks use where things start to get interesting.
Rick.
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22-01-2010, 06:02 PM
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rick that sounds like some good info fella, think you need to join up on the innovative forum because you know fuck loads more than anyone on there
i take it you know how to do the free air calibration and warm up process.
When i do my free air then warm up, press the button 4 times its then ment to sent the signal back yeah ? my gauge xd-16 goes mental its goes from lean-rich and nothing else, it also flicks from afr to %
any ideas getting well frusatrated
i take it you know how to do the free air calibration and warm up process.
When i do my free air then warm up, press the button 4 times its then ment to sent the signal back yeah ? my gauge xd-16 goes mental its goes from lean-rich and nothing else, it also flicks from afr to %
any ideas getting well frusatrated
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