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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 09:43 AM
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Default rs turbo smokes a lot when cold what does it sound like pls

hi had my series two turbo for a couple of months now , on my 3rd one !!

if the car is left over night i start it up , drive up the road then after 2mins it starts to pour out blue smoke ,it does it for about 2 minutes then calms down.

it also does it if you boot it when warm when you let off the throttle.

ppl had said it could be various things just wanted some ppls advice as you may of been asked this before

it is definatly oil as there is an oily resadue round the exhaust and even spots on the bumper

shame cos the bodywork on this car is lovely and only had two previous owners so really would like to get it sorted

many thanks in advance and a happy new year to you all
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 10:33 AM
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valve stem oil seals?!

turbo oil seal?

just an idea! take it to a garage!
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 11:38 AM
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Sounds like your turbos mullered take off the inlet pipe from your metering head and see if theirs any play in the shaft. A little play side to side is o.k but any in and out is bad news
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 12:12 PM
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Sounds like your valve stem oil seals mate quite common on CVH. Get them from ford they've been modified. There like a top hat style.
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 12:45 PM
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As above, it does sound like the Stem Seals. Worth doing first anyway as will only cost ya about £10 for the seals (from ford), £15 for CVH stem seal tool, a new rocker cover gasket, and about an hours labour.

Just make sure you do it in a methodical way and don't drop the collets down the oil ways
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 01:08 PM
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so you reakon it is stem seals then really guys and not the turbo . surely if it was the turbo it would do it all the time and be white smoke?
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 01:21 PM
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i've tried the same thing on y S2... and it was the valve stem oil seals... and there is no doubt about it, it the same thing on your car mate.. that at typical CVH thing
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 01:24 PM
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Id say its stem seals but as jamie said as above it will cost u around £20 to do them and even if it aint thier worth doing as they are a common fault, they go dry and brittle, let the car warm up then accelerate hard then back off and see if you get white smoke, but as you said its blue smoke so go for yer stem seals 1st
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are they easy to do then ie should i have a go at them myself or take it to a garage to be done ?
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There not too bad to do but be careful you don't drop a collet do the oil way. When you've done them it will still smoke for a bit, that'll just be it burning the oil off in the exhaust.
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stem seals would normally show on start up, check the turbo for play as rst steve said. stem seals not to hard to change, just don't drop the collets
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stem seals would normally show on start up, check the turbo for play as rst steve said. stem seals not to hard to change, just don't drop the collets
Yep, its not much fun having to take the sump off for one lousy collet i can tell you
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Old Jan 2, 2005 | 09:21 PM
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yeah mate it sounds like the valve seals,
however when it comes to do the seals plug up the rear oil return gallies will a bit of kitchen roll or sumit as this will help prevent the collets dropping into the sump just make sure you dont forget to remove the tissue as you go
oh and use a magnet to get the collets off makes much easier work for you then put a spot of grease /vasaline on the back of them on re-fitting as this stops them from dropping off the valve stem while undoing the valve spring compressor.
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white smoke is the head gasket is it not.my s2 done the same,checked the turbo,FOOKED worth checking the turbo m8.
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but its not white smoke its blue as its burning oil. i know this as the tip of my scorpian is coated in mobil 1
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Old Jan 5, 2005 | 10:32 PM
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The valve stems are easy to replace done mine the other day but i drop a collet down a oil way and that was a nightmare.

If you do it yourself put something over the oil way holes

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thats what am sayin,blue smoke is turbo problems as well.white is a head gasket.u said if it was the turbo it would be white smoke
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get the seals done first as they nice and cheap!

but it could be the turbo. mine went and it was only on start up and gear changes that you noticed any smoke. as you wrote near the top - it doesnt have to pour out all the time and it would be blue not white smoke if turbo related. hope its not the turbo tho mate!
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Old Jan 6, 2005 | 11:38 AM
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There are a number of things this can be...
heres a list of things for you to check/do

Firstly check the oil breather aint blocked! simple if its full of shit get a new one... (easy wasnt it! )

change the stem seals easy to change and may just be these that are the problem...(worth doing anyway)

check turbo check turbo for play in the baering by removing the hose going to the compressor housing and 'wiggling' the shaft if there is excessive play the turbo is more than likely mullered. this would also explain the smoke on start up (oil sitting in exhaust) and the oily smoke on over-run
Please dont check the turbo shaft when the car is warm as you will more than likely melt your finger to the turbo shaft!

Finally if all this seems fine.. and you have replaced the stem seals and breather.. do a compression check to ensure that either the H/G isnt mullered or that the piston rings arent shot..
this is not likely to be your problem TBH as if the rings were nannered it would smoke under acceleration too.

Hope this helps a bit
Let us know haow you get on
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