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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 04:28 AM
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Is it just me who doesnt get this:

A Sikh "POLICE OFFICER", working for Her Majestys Police Force has won a law suit against the Force regarding, having to remove his turban during riot training!!!!!!!

He got 10k compensation, claiming he was "deeply offended" being asked to remove it. Wonder how much he would get if he got whacked round the head with a baseball bat, IN TRAINING.

I'm not going right into this, as i will probably be classed as Racist, but.................
............this must be wrong on so many levels.

Being Scottish, can i be "deeply offened" if my riot gear aint Tartan. Course not, i'm not looking to milk my country for all its worth, unlike some "so called" Brits. Only patriots when it suits them (compensation, benefits etc.)

Can we petition Gordon Brown, asking: "When can we get our country back????"
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 04:33 AM
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Its not our country anymore

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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 07:14 AM
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The relevant wording of the request to remove the turban was;

"Can you remove that thing? ".

The offending occured as a result of the manner in which the request was made.

It would be similar if some one said "Move that pile of scrap" when referring to a concourse R.S.

10k doesn't seem correct tho'
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 07:58 AM
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The country has gone tits up everything has got to be politically correct
he most of known that join the police he would have to remove his turban at some time in his career.
we can't do anything these days without offending someone.
it was in the paper the other week for employers to ask employee's to not stuff there face's in front of muslims doing ramadam.
i sorry but if i need to eat ill do it regradless of who is around me.

i could probably go on all day bout this but it will only piss me off lol
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 08:10 AM
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things like this really make me sick to the stomach. ENGLAND IS SHIT!!!!!
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 08:50 AM
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by focusv8
The relevant wording of the request to remove the turban was;

"Can you remove that thing? ".

The offending occured as a result of the manner in which the request was made.

It would be similar if some one said "Move that pile of scrap" when referring to a concourse R.S.

10k doesn't seem correct tho'
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I don't see it as relevant as it's obsured to even be wearing one of those in the first place in his line of work.

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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:00 AM
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How is this 'equality for all'?

Fuckin' chancers.

Yet nurses are sacked for wearing crusifixes. This is all wrong!!!

I am all for diversity, it makes things interesting... but if a job requires a certain uniform / protective wear, and ya can't or won't wear the required items, ya shouldn't be doing the job!
I would say let him wear his turban for riot training / riot duty, but he would probably sue again if he got hit in the head with something and didn't have the protection of a helmet.

Let him get a job as a miner and see if he gets compo for refusing to replace his turban with a helmet.

This country is CAUSING segregation by allowing groups of people (almost any collective, not just black, asian, gay, etc) to get away with doing and saying whatever they want and rewarding them for crying about 'discrimination'. Integration should be what this country is about. Mixing peoples and communities to engender knowledge and respect for each others way of life, religions etc.

Emigrating at the first opportunity...

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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:01 AM
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Its comical i think.
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:08 AM
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this makes my blood boil

so its 10k from the police force meaning 10k from the tax payer meaning 10k from us
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:16 AM
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more bandwagon jumpers then on pf eh

i followed the story when it broke and i think it's fairly simple that if you don't understand the reasons behind the wearing of the turban etc then you won't understand why asking for it to be removed has caused such an isue

we don't have to wear helmets when riding bikes, the coppers in west london don't have to wear helmets/hats when they are on duty, just as long as the turban is black they get a little badge to stick on the front and a bit of black and white tape to go around the outside, so why couldn't they have observed the same rules in the rest of the country?

so all your questions answered in one short post

care to continue the misinformed arguement?
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:22 AM
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you know something else whats fuck up, they are aloud to park on double yellow lines anytime when visiting or doing anything to do with there religion , but people who go to church from this country no such treatment
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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Its all this pc crap, my gf's sons school is another case, they dont have a carol service or anything like that, but they can devote a whole morning assembly to some Eid festival. Why do it for one religion and not another?
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Ford RS Enthusiast
this makes my blood boil

so its 10k from the police force meaning 10k from the tax payer meaning 10k from us
This is so true the government waste enough of our money as it is without paying for unnessasary law suits like this. Surely the police need to change the rules on this kind of thing, he should do what all the other officers have to do no exceptions.
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:30 AM
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Thats just shocking! This country's a joke!!
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:34 AM
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omg if i went to there country and said i was offended because i was given a milkybar button from someone i work with because its white in colour like me , and they gave me 10k i would think there country is a fucking joke they must think we are soft as shit

even the judges at the court are scared of being sued and branded of being anti pc so they go along with anything

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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:36 AM
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my son recived an afterschool detention in school for wishing the new head teacher 'merry christmas sir'
i thought this was rediculous so went in to school to check i had the full story, and got a right lipfull because he may have offended other religion's
the teachers asian however appears unreligious wtf
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by focusv8
The relevant wording of the request to remove the turban was;

"Can you remove that thing? ".

The offending occured as a result of the manner in which the request was made...
FFS well maybe the person who asked didn't know what it was called, it's just a type of hat, call it a turban if you like, who knows??

Fucking prick should be sent home.
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by m4tt274
my son recived an afterschool detention in school for wishing the new head teacher 'merry christmas sir'
i thought this was rediculous so went in to school to check i had the full story, and got a right lipfull because he may have offended other religion's
the teachers asian however appears unreligious wtf
OMFG! The loonies have taken over the asylum! Tell me you're kidding us please!
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by kris-rs
it was in the paper the other week for employers to ask employee's to not stuff there face's in front of muslims doing ramadam.
i sorry but if i need to eat ill do it regradless of who is around me.
I would do the very same, if they dont want to see me eating, then they can bugger off. If we had something like ramadam or something similar, what are the chances of them respecting us like they want us to do, i bet they wouldnt and i bet no action would be taken againist it
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by CF20
you know something else whats fuck up, they are aloud to park on double yellow lines anytime when visiting or doing anything to do with there religion , but people who go to church from this country no such treatment
OMG tell me it ain't true! (real tears)
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 09:49 AM
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i have a friend who is sikh and in the police force and asked him about this ..

he says when he did his training he took his turban off and put a bandana on and then the helmet no probs !!!!!!
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Fezza

This country is CAUSING segregation by allowing groups of people (almost any collective, not just black, asian, gay, etc) to get away with doing and saying whatever they want and rewarding them for crying about 'discrimination'.

but theres one group who cant do feck all but has to pay for it. the native white british hard working person!

this stuff really pisses me off! i think everyone who fought in ww1 and 2 for our freedom and way of life would be disgusted at what the government has done to the country.
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dojj
more bandwagon jumpers then on pf eh

i followed the story when it broke and i think it's fairly simple that if you don't understand the reasons behind the wearing of the turban etc then you won't understand why asking for it to be removed has caused such an isue

we don't have to wear helmets when riding bikes, the coppers in west london don't have to wear helmets/hats when they are on duty, just as long as the turban is black they get a little badge to stick on the front and a bit of black and white tape to go around the outside, so why couldn't they have observed the same rules in the rest of the country?

so all your questions answered in one short post

care to continue the misinformed arguement?
Dojj, I think you may not have followed the story close enough mate. Basically he was told he had to go riot training, now, as you can all guess this means having wooden blocks chucked at you and then being petrol bombed.

Now bear in mind for this you have to wear a shed load of protection, it does not take a genius to work out that you at least need to wear a protective and fireproof helmet Also, bear in mind again if you will then when the petrol bombs smash in front of you, you do get glass showered over you so for this reason you also need to wear the visor of the helmet down. How the heck he would have done it wearing his turban I have no idea.

He decided that he wanted the training, but did not want to remove his turban. He was told he had to in order to partake, and health and safety (ie his turban would set on fire) dictated the headgear. I also recall that he wanted to miss the fire bomb training in case he set fire to his beard.

So, he was told headgear or nothing, he decided it was racist and gets a payout as the force were harassing him due to his religion.

So, NO, we are not talking about day to day policing, we are talking about a particular aspect of policing that required an exact type of uniform.

I know lots of Sikh officers who as previously stated remove their turban, replace with a less bulky bandanna, then happily wear the helmet required to complete the training.
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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i cant really see anyway out of this because if you say anything against there special treatment you get branded as Racist and you cannot tell them to do anything, im all about treating all people equal but you cannot even say or do anything what they dont like, its getting worse all the time when is it going to stop

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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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I say, let em keep it on and then when some fucker with an knife or an axe in a riot hits em with it see how their turban protects them then
10k is way to much, the officer should have gotten a ticking off
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 10:23 AM
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Dont no why your getting upset really , we should all realise that this country is a muslim state and the rights of white people or british people if you like has no meaning any more ..

Total fuck wits keep bowing to these idiots and it wont stop any time soon
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 10:43 AM
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turban and petrol bomb

i know i would have taken it off if it was me
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 10:52 AM
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Moving aside from the whole race issue, but highlighting how nuts the country is, women joined the forces knowing they would have to leave if they got pregnant.
Lo and behold, a couple of them got pregnant, claimed discrimination and won cash awards.

Personally, i think an agreement works both ways and if it says something is required (like protective gear) and you sign up to it, then you either get on with it or you piss off, closing the dorr quietly on your way out.

Cops, soldiers etc don't sign up to particular duties or tasks - they do what they are told to do and they get trained for specialist roles like riot control. They don't get to say "I don't fancy going to iraq, or dealing with those football hooligans". As said, why employ him or train him if he won't actually do the job (like Princes Willie and Harry, for instance)?
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 11:51 AM
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why hasnt someone designed a kevlar helmet shaped like a turban??? problem solved then!!!
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 12:04 PM
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Theres alot of people on here who bang on about how non-whites should be 'sent home' etc, but i wonder how many of you vote for the BNP.. Not many i bet!
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 12:05 PM
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so why are theses so called mental people with there silver paper wrapped around there head not doing the same then, they are doing it to stop the voices in there head from the gods to block them speaking to them they say, so i cant see the difference

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g2rsr wrapping a turban round your head is socially acceptable if its silver foil your classed as nuts

the difference between insane behaviour and acceptable behaviour is often categorised by belonging to a religion.
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 12:09 PM
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A turban is a fucking fire hazard and it's a joke that a policeman is allowed to wear it at all.
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Originally Posted by warrenpenalver
g2rsr wrapping a turban round your head is socially acceptable if its silver foil your classed as nuts

the difference between insane behaviour and acceptable behaviour is often categorised by belonging to a religion.
Its not socially acceptable as far as i'm concerned.
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 12:18 PM
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He should have got something, kicked out the police force.
You only have these stupid allowances made on religious grounds, so what happens if you're not religious, I saw a Catholic priest the other day, I'm going to sue now for the trauma it gave me.
He should not have got a penny, but if riot training is done as part of a copper then he should leave the force, as you shouldn't as an employee be able to pick the bits you want to do.
My sis in law is Hindu, but she never prays ever, her sister does, she doesn't do ramadan either but we all respect her sister when she goes upstairs to pray, and be quiet for her whilst praying.
It should be give and take for harmonies sake, but it seems it is all take by some.
The PEET family in Norwich were ordered by the Police to remove a union flag they had outside thier house, as someone had complained but the indian/muslim/portugese familys in the street weren't asked, to remove any "markings".
The real stupid thing is all these families are very good friends, and signed a petition to allow the Union Flag to stay, even the "visitors".
The flag thing created lots of tension, that was not there previously.
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Old Oct 3, 2009 | 12:23 PM
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Why do we have to pander to their every whim? Its their choice to live in this country, if they dont like how we do things, piss off, simple really. It takes the piss when stuff that has been a british way of life for centuries cant be practiced because it may offend others, do we get shown the same consideration when they celebrate their festivals etc, not a fuckin chance, cos thats not pc. If they cant abide by our way of life, respecting our customs and beliefs and stop riding roughshod over everything that offends them, perhaps its time they were shown the door. I'm not racist, but I dont see why we should bow down to their needs and neglect our own.
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Originally Posted by KregRS
Why do we have to pander to their every whim? Its their choice to live in this country, if they dont like how we do things, piss off, simple really. It takes the piss when stuff that has been a british way of life for centuries cant be practiced because it may offend others, do we get shown the same consideration when they celebrate their festivals etc, not a fuckin chance, cos thats not pc. If they cant abide by our way of life, respecting our customs and beliefs and stop riding roughshod over everything that offends them, perhaps its time they were shown the door. I'm not racist, but I dont see why we should bow down to their needs and neglect our own.
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theres fire proof material and sprays that can be used in turbans no problem im sure.

but for riot cops/armed police/soldiers etc you NEED the protection offered by a kevlar helmet.

Its a health and safety matter.


it is pretty messed up that sikhs have been in the police now for decades and this is only "suddenly" becoming a problem!! Why the hell havent the "sikh policemans association" or whatever they are called dealt with this issue a long time ago???
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need some of this shit in the police force


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