Hi got a 2L ZVH fiesta with all the standard mods i.e cam, intercooler, exhaust ect nothing special. i couldn't get the fueling right being a 2L and still having the standard OFAC management, so i decided to buy a pectel T2 setup which come of a 2L ZVH so i have a base map to start and a ready made loom also managed to get map sensor, cam sensor, and injectors......
but after having a chat with jano @ oddkidcreations im starting to think its a bit over kill for my engine. jano thinks i should sell the pectel and get cossy managment!
i dont know what to do now!
What do you rekon?

Danny

 

load of crap about dumping it for cossie management , first of all why? why would you use secondhand parts that are over 20 years old when the pectel t2 is a modern ecu . as long as the one you have is in good condition especially the wiring loom then its perfect . the t2 was orginally designed for formula ford which used the zetec engine so you have a ecu which is custom built to suit your needs.
anyway dont pectel build the boards for cossie management upgrades
sounds to me like someone wants to make some dosh!
p.s if you do wanna sell it let me know as i know someone how wants the ecu#
cheers paul

 

That don't make sense at all!
dump pectal2 and go for cossie management which must have a pectal board to enable mapping to your car! why not stick with pectal2 and avoid adding boards and all that extra crap that goes with the cossie management? why?

 

Thats what i thought but being that it come from Jano which im sure knows more about management then myself i started to question my thoughts.... as for selling it, since i put this thread up i have already had 2 people PM me wanting to buy it! so i think i will stick with my plans and go with the T2
cheers

Danny

 

good choice mate , there you go if youve had 2 people trying to buy it already then i think that speaks volumes about how good it is! . also diffferent tuners prefer different systems and janos very good at getting the cossie management to run in a cars , but its old , everything about it is old ecu , wiring . you cant have overkill on management mate and the t2 is the budget spec one anyway , its only the options that you may never uselike anti lag etc.
p.s take it to grove garage to see ahmed bajoo for a live map when its up and running

 

The reason why was due to the cost of the map required which is over £600 for T2 compared to £100 for weber. + once he sells the T2 and loom it will pay for the cossie ecu and map all in one.
All the parts required for running on T2 is the same for weber so no extra costs at all.

I had the same setup for my first car which was done the same way. I bought a loom and ECU off ahmed for loads of money then was told that the cost of mapping was as much as the ecu. What was the point in that.

In the long run will cost less to have the same result and can be done much easier.

You had a touch with the cost of the T2 setup so if you sold it on and fitted weber you will save money. Fit the T2 and get it mapped in the end will cost you more.

Simple as that.

danny.

 

£600 is for LIVE mapping the car, not guess work, everyone knows if you shop about you can get that mapping easily for less, you might need to travel.
£100 for weber would mean it is not live mapped, so basically you are telling the chap to sell the T2 because it would be cheaper to go for a non live mappable system which somehow seems better? am i missing something here? i thought LIVE MAPPING was the way forward?

 

soz mate but that simply aint correct , to get both ecus running correctly on a car it must surely be mapped to the car it is fitted to unless you have built two engines to identical spec and you are using data from one and downloading to another ecu and then it would most probably want live mapping to do the final checks etc to get it running perfect. as for getting weber live mapped for a £100 tell me where as iam going there 2moz , for £100 notes mate i wouldnt expect much at all to be honest let alone a live map , plus it aint £600 for a live map more like £450/500 max and thats from the likes of ahmed which i might add is one of the best mappers if not the best so i guess you get what you pay for!
and how do you know that the second hand ecu of more than 20 years of age is in perfect working order? i dont think most tuners have ecu testing equipment so is it a case of fit it to the car and see if it runs and if there is a problem with the ecu then buy other one or have it repaired
so i think it aint as simple as that
cheers paul

 

I'll do you a direct swap for an old cossie ECU if you like mate, I dont need any cash my way even though Jano says its better than the rubbish you have now

 

 

I have paid Jano more than once to live map my cars on the road. It took him about 2 hours from a base chip and i was charged £130 + 20 for fuel. The car was then put on different rollers around the UK many times over the 3 years i owned it and made around the same power each time. 240bhp. My ZT was mapped by jano on the road and then taken to EA's rollers to have the final check by paul to make sure all was good. It cost me £150 for the full map and the graph printout. Then engine is still producing 340+bhp with the same setup from 4 years ago. Ahmed was at jano's dropping off some parts last week and belive me i have had this conversation myself with ahmed when i had my T62000 Ecu which i sold and bought my whole weber converision with.
Ahmed mapped my mates car which jano fitted weber to and made the same power as my car did even tho my map cost me £400 less than his did both cars with almost same spec.

HTH
Danny.

 

i think you should double check with jano as i am 100% sure that he can't LIVE MAP your car. he can map the car but not LIVE.
there's a difference, i believe the way he has mapped yours is by using something like a Pectal monitor or a secs monitor to read off all the settings and then adjust them.

 

is that the t6 ecu you had or a t2? as t6 is alot more expensive than the t2 ecu for starters and as for the quality of the mapper you pay for the best and i dont want to slag off jano as i have never met the fella or had any work done by him and i know he does a very good job but i know ahmed well and hes been mapping cars when jano was still in his dads bag and hes called upon by wrc teams to fly to rally events all over the world so as i said you can buy quality but it costs. pectel is also used by wrc teams , touring car teams , moto gp teams , formula ford teams , 24 hour lemans teams i think that speaks volumes on how reliable the pectel ecus are. how many use second cossie management?
and why do people use after market management systems if they are only as good as old management systems

 

Zetecboy
You mention loads of cars that the aftermarket Pectel system is fitted to now not so long ago they were all running weber, but compare the amount of money that most people can spend to that of touring car teams, lemans teams and WRC teams which have sponsers and advertising to cover high costs for components. Unlike us mortals that have to work for our money we can spend. Im not saying that any tuner is better or worse, if its done right the end result is the same.

The weber ECU was used on Ford and lancia rally cars, lots of teams are still using them and most tuners support the tuning for the system at a decent price. Companys are still offering new parts and designing new parts even now!
Its a factory fit on so many engines such as Fiat, Alfa, Duccati, Ferrari, Ford, Lancia to name just a few. Webcon are still selling the ECU's new and being used for aftermarket application on many cars we dont even know about. It keeps coming back to price, a £50 L6 ECU runs my engine just fine.

Morph.
jano uses an emulator to map cars without pectel software.

 

T2 is not overkill for your engine and I would take that any day over Cossy managemnt. For starters it uses coil pack as standard, something that costs extra with Weber. I use the very same ECU on our Audi powered MG.

 

lots of misinformed people on this thread unfortunately

webber is not the be all and end all it's a 1980s system that is quite well known by a lot of people and hence the popularity. chips comment sums this thread up perfectly

 

you'll find all the rs turbo guys that run cossie managaement rant and rave on about it due to the fact that before they were running rudementry MFI and now they have ecu controlled efi system, so who wouldn't say it was good based on that fact alone?
but if compared to modern day ecu, cossie / webber ecu is old and you need loads of extras to match. try and tell that to someone who is 22, running an rs turbo and has cossie efi management and can now run 200+ safely!

 

i dont think that ford used weber when in touring cars with the rs 500 iam sure that they used a aftermarket management systems infact it was zytek and i know this because there factory is down the road from me and they do lemans style cars now . also the orginal question was jano says fit cossie management and cost wasnt even mentioned he was asking which was best and the simple answer is pectel is a far superior ecu in every way. i do understand the big budgets in motorsports teams but they use the t2 in moto gp so i dont think a £650 is a touch in the ocean in terms of budget they could have used t6 etc so that must mean that the t2 is very suitable for the needs of high end motorsports.