Ok so ive become interested in Integra's, but im just wondering is it worth going for a Type R over something like the SiR because they both have the 1.8 Vtech( but the SiR has about 20bhp less) is that right?

Apart from weight saving bits is that the only real difference between the two?

 

it depends on what you want out of the car. a type-r is always more focussed and will be faster, but will be harsher and louder with it.

 

from what i know the older dc2 type r motors are hand built and hand ported/polished as race engines would be, its a much stronger motor and performance even 20bhp more would be a lot more noticeable, also the suspension setup etc would probably be different opposed to the lower spec models personally i would get a dc2 type r and go all out, they look a lot better aswell!

 

My mates just bought a integra dc5 its slightly quicker than my other mates civic type R
and comes with a active diff so handles really well, i would go for the type r teg,
my mates is in white and looks awesome but ive seen a black one aswell and that looks mean, recaro seats are nice looking too

 

I have a dc5 integra handles great & when driven off v tec its very economical

 

I also have a DC5 Integra, second one i've owned and love it to pieces!!!! As above 40mpg on a good run!!!! It may be for sale later in the year as well if your after a minter!

Chris

 

If your interested have ITR-DC2.com.

All of the information on there regarding differences.

There are differences between the SIR and uk type r and then difference between the UK ITR and JDM Type R.

The one to go for is either the UK ITR and the 98 Spec JDM type R.

The UK one comes in RED, Black or White.

JDM ones come in White, Black, Red, Silver and uber cool Yellow with Yellow Recaros.

With DC2 they are very reliable but make sure the one you buy has a full service history and as original as possible with out a bolt on Tat.

 

As for Bolt on tat, i've found that the JDM car's can have some seriously good parts installed.
I.e. Nice coilovers, exhausts etc.

 

cheers guys

My mates put his SiR on pistonheads http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/574425.htm i went in this and it does go really well, thats what got me interested in the DC2's

 

get the teg as they have seriously good handling. Make sure its a JDM 1.

 

What i meant is that there a few out there with cheap ebay parts stuck on them.

If your buying a car with some decent brand names on your on to a winner....

 

I'd rubber a UK Teg unless insurance is an issue, these cars tend to attract rust if they're not properly undersealed/looked after and can feel a bit flat against a JDM model... plus they dont look as good, IMO.
My friend has just bought a JDM 96 spec from 200bhpcars and it is a brilliant car and there are minimal differences from the later 98-spec JDM, certainly nothing that would put me off buying a 96-spec over a 98-spec.


Cheers,
Grant

 

This is the shape i like


Or this with the normal shape lights

 

I have listed the differences between the 96-98 Spec JDM ITR's below, as taken from BMI's Type R Legends DVD. As you can see it is quite long so you may not want to read it all. Please bare in mind that this is Japanese translated into American, I have changed some of the more obvious facts into UK English and that it is BMI information not mine, so if you don't agree with the facts complain to them....

This list does not include all the Track Battles and extras on the ITR that are on the DVD so I recommend a purchase!!!

1. HID lights on 98 Spec (added weight, but improved night visibility)

2. The most siginficant change are the wheels

96 Spec 195/55/15 4 stud

98 Spec 215/45/16 5 stud (rare tyres....)

3. Brake Discs enlarged

96 spec Front 14" Rear 13"

98 spec Front 15" Rear 14" (I don't know if this is correct as I thought these were mean't to be the same as the UK spec fronts, but the UK spec wheels are only 15")

4. Front Suspension - Modified to increase cornering speeds after extensive testing on the circuit.

96 Spec

Spring rate (KGf/MM) 4.4
Damper (KGf) (Full) 245
(short) 161
Anti Roll Bar (inches) 0.94

98 Spec

Spring rate (KGf/MM) 4.5
Damper (KGf) (Full) 231
(short) 142
Anti Roll Bar (inches) 0.98

5. Rear Suspension

96 Spec

Spring rate (KGf/MM) 4.4
Damper (KGf) (Full) 118
(short) 70
Anti Roll Bar (inches) 0.87

98 Spec

Spring rate (KGf/MM) 4.5
Damper (KGf) (Full) 100
(short) 59
Anti Roll Bar (inches) 0.91

This seems to indicate that Honda decided to increase the stiffnes of the spring slightly but decrease the dampening of the shocks. Also the anti roll bars were thickened. Perhaps someone who knows more about this can explain.....

6. The 98 spec engine was equiped with an all stainless steel manifold giving the engine more torque at lower revs.

96 Spec - 200 ps @ 8000 rpm
18.5kgm @ 7200 rpm

98 Spec - 200 ps @ 8000 rpm
19kgm @ 6200 rpm

7. Other Specs

96 Spec
Height (inches) 52
Rear Track (inches) 57.9
Weight 1060kgs
ABS Option
Airbag Option

98 Spec
Height (inches) 52.4
Rear Track (inches) 58.5
Weight 1100kgs
ABS Standard
Airbag Standard

8. Engine Internals (Enlargement of the thrust bearings, Ports, and Valve Seals) were machined by hand until late 96 spec engines. When it came to improving this process further it took to long by hand, so the engineers were replaced by machines.......

Late 96 spec and 98 spec engine internals were machined by specialist machines that produced work that was so good it was impossible to match by hand.....

9. Quarter mile race between the two models with gearbox ratios as described above....

Gear Ratios

96 Spec

1st - 3.230
2nd - 2.105
3rd - 1.458
4th - 1.107
5th - 0.848

Final 4.4


98 spec

1st - 3.230
2nd - 2.105
3rd - 1.458
4th - 1.034
5th - 0.787

Final 4.785

This all means that 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear are shorter in the 98 Spec (due to the closer ration of the Final drive), but 4th and 5th are wider for top speed...... (i.e. 4th and 5th in the 96 Spec are closer for acceleration, which is why the 96 Spec pull the 98 Spec back in 4th gear in the 1/4 mile)

10. Braking test from about 95 mph

96 Spec (non ABS) - 269.7 ft

98 Spec (ABS and larger discs) - 230.3 ft


11. Circuit Battle (in postion order with lap times)

1. 98 Spec Integra - 1.09.16
2. MR2 G liimted (200ps non turbo) - 1.09.57
3. Celica (T-Sport?) - 1.09.65
4. FTO (Version R?) - 1.10.14
5. Miata - 1.13.45
6. BMW Z3 - 1.13.94

Driver comments - It a stable ride.... There is only a slight improvement in quickness, but the brakes and tires really contribute to the stable lap times.....Its a driver friendly car.... I guess the gear ration has some demerits at top acceleration.... but the 1st 2nd and 3rd gears match the circuit. (1st 2nd and 3rd are shorter on the 98 spec, but 4th and 5th are wider for top speed....) The new ITR (98 spec) is a fine car.....

The ITR is great for low and mid speed courses.... older ITR's had problems with the 1st and 2nd hairpins you couldn't rev the engine enogh for those corners.... but now the second gear is a perfect match


12 Endurance race

The 96 Spec ITR is raced (earlier on) in the Endurance race and it wins on lap consistancy.

The 98 spec ITR is raced in the endurance race (not sure who won this one), the oil temp goes through the roof.... cut to Spoon who say when their cars are on track they use Stock Honda Logo oil filters which fit but are smaller and prevent oil pressure fluctuation (preventing warping of the oil filter case). They also put baffles in the sump and heat tape between the exhaust manifold and the sump to further prevent the oil pressure fluctuating. They also use steel gaskets and steel banding around their oil filters on their racing cars....


Spoon then go on to suggest that if youre driving a 96 Spec ITR with over 60,000 miles (on track I presume) when rebuilding the engine also change the raer suspension arm to a 98 spec (or 2000 spec) version for a milder ride and easier handling. All bushes are compatible between 96 spec, 98 spec and 2000 spec so go for the latest you can get.... before making major mods Spoon recomend changing these small parts to enjoy the circuit more first....



13. 2000 spec ITR differences (I don't think there is a 2000 spec ITR as such but its just that Honda was alway making fine adjustments upto the end of the production run.... similar to say the S2000 production run....)

The drive shafts, hubs and bearing have all been syncronised (machined!?!) for better movement, which is the kind of precision work Honda have been doing for the past year or so... (The DVD came out in 2001)

 

Thanks alot smithy20vt

 

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