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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 07:44 PM
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I have recently gone self- employed in the security industry, alarms, cctv, door access etc.
I got contract work off a bloke i know working on 3 schools. Good start.
All was going well until, wheres my fuckin cheque???
Now my saff has to go to keep me afloat! Even more frustrating is that i started to poly bush the front end and only did the nearside. I need a quick sale so i cant finish it!
Contract killing anyone?
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 07:47 PM
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unfortunately that can happen in the self employed line of work. fortunately its not happened to me and my mate in the 4 years weve been self employed.
its always better when theres 2 of you working together as theres strength in numbers and especially helpful to both be big angry skinhead types.
how long had you worked for him for? much of a loss?
go back around to remove everything youve previously fitted.

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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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dont trust anyone in this game mate, if im on a price i always have my money in three parts or the job dont get done
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 07:51 PM
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unfortunately that can happen in the self employed line of work. fortunately its not happened to me and my mate in the 4 years weve been self employed.
its always better when theres 2 of you working together as theres strength in numbers and especially helpful to both be big angry skinhead types.
how long had you worked for him for? much of a loss?
go back around to remove everything youve previously fitted.


Only a couple of months but enough to get through the immediate spare cash and now my saff! If he doesnt eventually pay up then im going to kick his arse!
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:02 PM
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you worked a couple of months with no payments? i dont know if your games different to ours , were self employed joiners working on price work and we put in our draw off the total contract price on a weekly basis depending on what weve done.
a couple of months unpaid will be a heavy hit for you to take. even if you get squared up give him a smack anyway for fucking you about.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy
go back around to remove everything youve previously fitted.
I'd go with that idea Take out everything that'll plug in, then he gets in back when you get paid in cash
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:07 PM
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you worked a couple of months with no payments? i dont know if your games different to ours , were self employed joiners working on price work and we put in our draw off the total contract price on a weekly basis depending on what weve done.
a couple of months unpaid will be a heavy hit for you to take. even if you get squared up give him a smack anyway for fucking you about.
I had to work a month in hand before a bill good go in! An absolute shitter now!
The jobs are still running and im in a good position to fuck it up for him. But my saff will have to go due to late payer!
I'll get another though when im straight again!
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:08 PM
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go back around to remove everything youve previously fitted.
There is an idea!

Go and remove every fitting/every camera etc that you can until he pays up?
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:09 PM
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i had simular situation recently but only for Ł750 and me accountant said he use to wor for revenue and customs, he said he'll send hem a letter saying if they dont pay up within 10 days he'll write to revenue and customs fraud squad and 9 out of ten times he says they pay to keep the tax man off thier back
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:14 PM
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whats he saying? is he going to pay or just giving excuses?
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy
whats he saying? is he going to pay or just giving excuses?
'Once the money has cleared i'll pay you via bank transfer'. He says.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:32 PM
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You cant go and remove things you fitted. He can then do you for theft/vandalsim etc. Just cos you fitted them you are not entitlied to do this.

Ive been here with late payment and im afraid unless it is stated in writing that they must pay you with XX weeks/months etc then you just have to wait!

When i quote for work now, i always put on the bottom of the quote that our payment terms are strictly 2 weeks from issue date, if you accept this quote then you accept our terms.

They have to pay you then or you are legally entitled to charge interest!
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:38 PM
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how much is the car?
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:39 PM
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if you dont take them off site its not theft and if you remove it neatly then its not vandalism.

whether its legal or not sometimes a threat is enough.

fuzzy,,my mate is 6'5 and so am i ,we have also never had a problem with late payment! lol

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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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remove his fucking teeth sly fucker it works everytime
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:43 PM
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Hardly a threat though that is it? If some sparky uncoupled things he had fitted neatly and didnt remove them from site i would just pay someone to couple them back up and knock that off his wages!
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:47 PM
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Surely if youve paid for the equipment and fitted it, you are entitled to remove it and take it with you as its still technically yours as he hasnt paid you for it!?!?!
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dovboy

fuzzy,,my mate is 6'5 and so am i ,we have also never had a problem with late payment! lol
its a plan that definately works
were not that big though just 6 foot and 13.5 /15 stone .
if he's saying hes going to pay then its not worth risking losing payment just yet. give him his chance to pay and if he doesnt you take it from there.
if hes not going to pay you have nothing to lose as long as theres no other witnesses.

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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:52 PM
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from experience you can not remove items from his property regardless of if he has paid for them or not

i got stung a few years ago for over 5k for bathrooms and a boiler,i ripped the lot out with my mate and disposed of it in the firth of forth

luckily the copper who arrested me was quite sympathetic and even passed me his details so i could pay him a visit!

if the site is always active and you stand no chance of getting payed just snip every wire in the place when no ones about....serves the fooker right
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:56 PM
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if the site is always active and you stand no chance of getting payed just snip every wire in the place when no ones about....serves the fooker right[/QUOTE]

Thats the way, then a kicking!
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:56 PM
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Use the Late Payment of Commerical Debts (Interest) Act 2002 - you can send him a statement of account listing:

- the amount he owes
- a penalty for being late - Ł40 up to Ł1000, Ł75 Ł1000-Ł5000, something else for more but cant remember how much
- interest at 8% + reference period base rate (currently works out to about 13.5% IIRC) annual (non-cumulative)

I normally say that if they settle within 7 days the penalty and interest will be waived and the original invoice value accepted in full setttlement....

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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fordsportjay
how much is the car?
More than you will part with jay.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee Reynolds
Hardly a threat though that is it? If some sparky uncoupled things he had fitted neatly and didnt remove them from site i would just pay someone to couple them back up and knock that off his wages!
well it was never going to be cost efective to start removing stuff but for a contractor with deadlines the last thing he wants is for his job to be going in reverse!!

i.e showing client around "whats this guy doing?" oh he is removing stuff because i wont pay him.lol

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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by simhopper
if the site is always active and you stand no chance of getting payed just snip every wire in the place when no ones about....serves the fooker right
thats also a good plan. it will come back to haunt your boss as the main contractor will expect it all fixed out of his pocket.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 06:24 PM
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lol at all this snip the wires etc. Who dya think you lot are? Sometimes you get paid late when self employed, thats life. As long as you get paid..............
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 07:12 PM
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ive been SE for 5 years.... sometimes ive had to wait 3 months for payment...

when i invoice.. i put on the bottom that if its not paid within 14 days i will charge 10% per week untill it is payed..

usualy this is the best way to make it happen..
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