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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:09 PM
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I nicely installed all my pipework before dropping the bath in. At the time, it was watertight up to the closed valves. I added the copper tails and tightened the compression fittings as much as I thought they needed.

We put the bath in place which in itself was enough stress for one complete lifetime (due to it being a £700 bath and a £700 piece of glass around it with only about 1/2" to spare all round)

I then put the pushfit connectors on and got everything else connected. However, both top compression nuts/olives are leaking. I have progressively tightened them more and more, although it is restricted space, so its a challenge. I now feel that they are very tight, but still leaking very slightly. So slight that I did wonder for a while if it was condensation. You can see from the pics that the tops of the top nuts are very slightly wet.







I am about to remove everything upwards of the valves to re-do it with new copper and olives etc. Any tips?!!? Should I be using any kind of compound or anything to make things more reliable? How tight should these compression fittings really need to be?

HELP ME PLEASE!!
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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ptfe and Fernox LSX leak sealer never lets us down
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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don't do the nuts up so tight next time,
the olives seal easy with little compression,
to much will distort them,
no need to use sealing compound
and is it mainly the pipe on the right?
as looks as tho the radius is going into
the fitting and the pipe may still be out of
round from the formed bend
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:20 PM
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it will be brass olives they can be a bugger to tighten in a tight space take them out wrap a spot off ptfe on them bout 5 wraps put back in and tighten failing that cut the olivs off and get softer copper olives, that will do the trick! also make sure there is no bend atall where u are compressing the olive on to it has to be perfectly straight
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:20 PM
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if he's tightened them up far too much then the pipe might be crushed aswell witch will be a ball ache for him
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ptfe and Fernox LSX leak sealer never lets us down
can u use that on potable water?
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:22 PM
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I can cut new pipes, not the end of the world. Well, getting at any of it is a pain in the scrundies, but there you go.

This fucking bath is fighting me ALL the fucking way. Good job it looks the bollocks, thats the only thing thats keep me going. Well, the missus' sexual advances to cheer me up certainly help keep me sane!!
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:23 PM
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yep. your supposed to leave it for about 1 hour before putting pressure in the pipe. its not like a paste or owt, it sets like a silacone
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if he had over tightened them u would see the olive comming out of the fitting. just remember on compresion fittings its a turn and a quarter
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:25 PM
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fernox lsx leak sealer can be used on wholesome water ye
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:25 PM
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cool hear my old work mate raving on about it other day might invest in a tube
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use some boss white on the olives m8, never try and tighten compression joint without any compound.

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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:27 PM
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I wouldun't bother using them pushfit hoses, just do it all the way in copper, safe + sucure then!
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rigwrecker not all the time i've seen em where they are leaking then i've undone them n the olives lower than the pipe god knows how the do it!
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 09:29 PM
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rigwrecker we always have a tube n a spare wouldn't do owt without it now
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i usually level the bath leggs before i set the bath in place then its just a few minor adjustments when you get it in place Christian and Beccy
so when u breaking the bath in
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have you ever came across a bathroom floor thats level tho i haven't
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have you ever came across a bathroom floor thats level tho i haven't
Yes!! Only when we work for a certain builder on new builds! Other than that - no chance!
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i usually level the bath leggs before i set the bath in place then its just a few minor adjustments when you get it in place Christian and Beccy
so when u breaking the bath in
It was fitted for a couple of years before removing it for the revised design and what was supposed to be better pipework. Its much simpler now, but I have spent 2 evenings trying to get rid of this miniscule leak now.
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we know how to use a level in scotland lol
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brs wrote:
have you ever came across a bathroom floor thats level tho i haven't


Yes!! Only when we work for a certain builder on new builds! Other than that - no chance!


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i usually level the bath leggs before i set the bath in place then its just a few minor adjustments when you get it in place Christian and Beccy
so when u breaking the bath in
It was fitted for a couple of years before removing it for the revised design and what was supposed to be better pipework. Its much simpler now, but I have spent 2 evenings trying to get rid of this miniscule leak now.
As above m8,

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Could be the bends as said christian, the bender alters the pipe circumference past the bend and your bends are close to the fitting as it is....

Any reason for the bends anyways? After all, flexi pipes are to save fooking about bending etc anyway
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
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i usually level the bath leggs before i set the bath in place then its just a few minor adjustments when you get it in place Christian and Beccy
so when u breaking the bath in
It was fitted for a couple of years before removing it for the revised design and what was supposed to be better pipework. Its much simpler now, but I have spent 2 evenings trying to get rid of this miniscule leak now.
aye there is nothing worse u think it has stopped then u pack up the tools and the fucker dripps again
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I went to visit my aunti and uncle who have just moved up to the top end ov avimore (sp) there isnt even a flat piece ov land in scotland so i think that the scottish bubbles are seconds
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Could be the bends as said christian, the bender alters the pipe circumference past the bend and your bends are close to the fitting as it is....

Any reason for the bends anyways? After all, flexi pipes are to save fooking about bending etc anyway
Yes, the pipes have to cross over (as can be seen in the pic). Kinda hard to explain, would have been an absolute nightmare to do in copper and putting the bends on as I have made the pipe runs the nicest they could be. The flexi's are huge great things and only 300mm long, so not the most flexible flexi's I have ever seen.
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you can get longer flexi's you no
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yep a must admit a level bathroom is rare the worst one was a do it yourself twit that done the floor in a wet room it was 6ft by 9ft and it had 3" of run
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looking at that first pic again, it may be worth trying to renew the pipe with the leaking joint and making it a bit longer before the bend. As the bend is quite close to the IV.
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I went to visit my aunti and uncle who have just moved up to the top end ov avimore (sp) there isnt even a flat piece ov land in scotland so i think that the scottish bubbles are seconds
i am another 3 hours north lol not a tree or hill in sight almost
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Originally Posted by rigwrecker
yep a must admit a level bathroom is rare the worst one was a do it yourself twit that done the floor in a wet room it was 6ft by 9ft and it had 3" of run
He obviosuly wanted the water to drain away fast!
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you can get longer flexi's you no
Dont get me started on that one!! LOL.

I wanted large bore Flexi's and finding them with 3/4 tap fitting one end and a decent quality push-fit the other was a nightmare. Couldn't get these particular ones any longer.
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yep cos another 3 hours n your in the water oni joking i'm shit at geography
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yep cos another 3 hours n your in the water oni joking i'm shit at geography
well a five minute walk i am in the water lol 20miles from john o groats
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Dont have much luck with this bathroom malarky do ya pal?
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yep a must admit a level bathroom is rare the worst one was a do it yourself twit that done the floor in a wet room it was 6ft by 9ft and it had 3" of run
He obviosuly wanted the water to drain away fast!
it was well wierd the other weird experiance was trying to level a shower screen on a fishing boat until i realised how stupid i was for trying such a thing
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yep a must admit a level bathroom is rare the worst one was a do it yourself twit that done the floor in a wet room it was 6ft by 9ft and it had 3" of run
He obviosuly wanted the water to drain away fast!
it was well wierd the other weird experiance was trying to level a shower screen on a fishing boat until i realised how stupid i was for trying such a thing
haha classic!
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Dont have much luck with this bathroom malarky do ya pal?
Actually, I think if you weigh up how much I have achieved without expert help, the problems that I have had are far outweighed by the success.

None of it is conventional.
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Sorry Chris....just got your PM

Now i have seen the pics, i would sway towards re-piping it fella......Just keep the formed bend away from the compresion fitting
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Dont have much luck with this bathroom malarky do ya pal?
Actually, I think if you weigh up how much I have achieved without expert help, the problems that I have had are far outweighed by the success.

None of it is conventional.
Thats acheivement though not luck. Youre unlucky getting a leak as the work looks a very neat install
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