As per title he has just phoned me saying he has just had a phone call from an official saying because your focus has got tubular chassis at the front he isnt allowed to take part on satarday! what a fucking joke what about the lotus's that take part,they said its because the chassis is modified does that mean they wont allow simon norris because his car has been shortend ect! i dont think so

 

Is that the same bloke who got excluded from a race series recently as some bloke moaned he basically got thumped on the track by them?

 

Bollox Was looking forward to seeing him too .

 

Bollocks!

No need for a half day on Sat then. I was hoping to get up and watch him race. That's pish news for Andy.

 

the time attack rules has always been the same, and spaceframing a car is against it.

deal with it

 

That is un- real!


Is there and offical set of rules for the time attack? can these be viewed by public?

what do they state abit chassis?

just saw stavs reply.

only one way out of this........

Can he put it all into an escort for the weekend!!!


if anyone can ANDY can

 

He is proper pissed off just a case of some moaning tosser that knows he is going to get spanked & starts crying to officials! he is still going up to knockhill..There is plenty of cars that arent banned radicals ect lotus arent banned & they all have spaceframe! ususal pish he will be getting banned from ford fair next as well

 

what you moaning about carlo, its same for EVERYONE and same in ANY rece series, RULES are RULES and if you cant abide by them, find a rece series where it passes the rules.

2-2. No tube frame vehicles or tube frame chassis extensions are permissible unless part of the OEM structure as defined in points 1-1 to 1.5. Space frame chassis are not permitted, additional triangulation and bracing of suspension turret/mounting points is allowed and as long as the modifications do not break condition 2-7.

simple fact is if they allowed people to spaceframe their cars costs would be stupid to be competitive and they wouldnt even be remotley a road car.

what you gonna moan about next, not allowing slicks?

 

http://www.timeattack.co.uk/download...ttack%20CC.pdf

 

Starvos it says a bit about modified chassis as well..How come loads of other cars have run in the event with this one of which was cut in two & shortend but nothing was said.

 

He can't complain it's clearly written in the rules

 

2-1. Vehicles must retain the original chassis/body and if the chassis/body is to be altered in any way the alterations must be submitted for pre-approval to the Time Attack technical.

Ie space framing is not allowed FULL STOP, but other alterations are allowed to their discression.

And norris hasnt really done it for performance reasons, im damn sure the space framing wasnt done for fun.

 

JUST SPOKE TO HIM THERE & IF HE ISNT ALLOWED ON BY FRIDAY HE HAS ARRAINGED A INDIPENDNT SCORUTINEER TO INSPECT OTHER VEHICLES SO HE ISNT GETTING PICKED ON..HE KNOWS OF ONE ALREADY A 200SX WITH A SPACE FRAME CHASSIS THAT ISNT BANED.

 

Surely if he was entering, He read the rules?


Shame, I bet he would have done well

 

this could get fun

 

ahwell, it wouldve been good to see aswell

but as said rules are rules & others i dare say will be found out if they break them also

 

Space framed 200SX? You sure? Ive never noticed one, all the SX's in time attack are pretty ordinary and not even top cars

 

thats shit

was looking forward to seeing the focus in action

 

Was just thinking that !

 

Andys focus retains the original wheelbase and has a floor? Norris evo is a cut and shut with a chopped roof... surely thats has to go against the rules?

Obviously someone knows Andy will be the person to beat up there on saturday and is scared of the competition... Shame the wanker doesnt own up.

Why not let andy compete for fun... no points involved to show what he can do. Hes not bothered about points, he just wants a good day and to get a good bit of competition. At least he's not scared of some good battles like this other twat.

 

But isnt going running to the marshalls about someone elses car just the same as what someone has done to him.....Its all very childish isnt it....

Who cares

 

Obviously Andy cares and all the rest of the people going up to see him...

But yes you are correct in saying the competitor who complained is very childish...

 

maybe he can do some demo laps or something similar?

 

childish?why because hes breaking the rules and knows it?what if someone turns up in a formula 1 car?is that ok as long as he has enugh internet friends to back him up?jeez,get a life,build a car that meets the regulations and stop fucking moaning.not like hes bloody poor or flooded with no water supply is it?

 

So sint he now on the same level as the other person........

READ THE RULES......you cant just use the excuse...."ow well someone else is doing it so i can too"

 

yeah, give me back my water supply you cunts!

 

STAVROS

Dont you think he should be allowed to compete but without being able to get any points?

 

Has to be said this man does make a very good point. The rules is the rules.

 

Well if his car doesnt pass the rules (And TBH, unless ive missed something, his is the ONLY car that would. And trust me, i spend a LOT of time in the Time Attack pits checking out the cars, its part of my job) i dont think so.

Its a real shame as itd be good to see some more awesome fords with great drivers like him in Time Attack, but rules are rules and letting him run, even for no points, is like letting anyone who doesnt comply with the rules run.
Martin Hadlands cars a good example, his only rule breaker is no seperate firewall between fuel system and driver, but he dont complain or expect to run for no points, as its against the rules.

Like someone said, though its an extreme example, you may as well let F1 cars in if your going to ignore the rules just to make a few people happy.

 

What benefit does it give?

 

is that just a firewall between him and the tank in the boot? would it take alot of work to put one in?

 

Well im damn sure he didnt do it for fun. Ask him.

Martins fuel system and rollcage means itd be a right bugger to do. Totally possible still, but a pain in the arse.
Im sure Martin will one day, but dont think its a massive priority.

summed up perfectly

 

the rules are pretty shit they should put a cap on bhp 700bhp tops for pro class and 500bhp for club class make it more about driver skill instead of sheer power to money u can afford class, total shame was looking forward to see andy on track

 

Aside from the RC Evo (maybe will can tell you if theyve been running full boost, i dont know) the top cars in pro and club so far have had around 700 and 500 anyhow mate.
Ron K's R32 isnt big power (not much over 500 i hear) and he pisses club class, the Roger Clark Impreza is about 700bhp (its running a GT35), Norris has been running less than full boost, the Zen Impreza is about 700bhp, and hell, that Elise is about 350!

Power is impossible to govern without restrictors, and its total rubbish saying its all about power anyhow, its plain to see looking at some of the cars its not.
All restrictors do is force people to spent MENTAL money trying to get every last scrap of power from that restrictor size, so the gap between rich and poor would get wider, which surely is what you moaning about.

Being on road legal tyres means its only possible to put so much of that power down anyhow, so more begins to defy the point and ruin drivability, its not like they on slicks.

And people come to see the amazing cars, stopping them having mega power will make even less people go watch, and its not exactly the most exciting spectator sport as it is...

 

Finally someone who realises our point. Andy is an awesome driver and made the knockhill hot hatch days popular with crowds because of his driving... Time attack wouldve benefitted from his presence.

 

how is that your point? the reasoning for no space framing would be to keep costs sensible, which is what he moaning about.

 

The point is Andy only wants in on saturday for fun. He's not bothered about points. just to get a good blast with similar high spec cars...

 

the point is though like earlier, im sure loads of other people would like that oppertunity too, but dont get it.

id love to go have a race round with the F1 guys in my mondeo runaround, but i dont expect it.

if the car was within the rules he could though, but its not, so its obvious he not going to be allowed, even for fun, as itd set a precident for others, itd contribute nothing to the series barring making andy and his mates happy, and if the car was timed at all it would totally confuse things with people wondering why the hell the possibly fastest car didnt win.

surely there other oppertunities to race other cars in that one?

 

Norris cant be within the rules in his cut and shut can he?

ps i have nothing against simons car but am only using it as an example....