Porkie

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Its a sport for people who can read properly.

Porkie

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All basic safety ones mate. No complaints from me.

The space frame rules are to stop people building 'silouette' type racers and it getting really silly.

The focus is not like that amd the fabrication was partly done as an easy way to fit the Cossie suspension and running gear I suppose... yes its lighter and better as well... but its still in the 'spirit' of the rules if you ask me. Would love to have seen the car run as I love it... UNTIL I saw the fooking pathetic comments from Andy and his little gang

andrewg

just shows how big a threat my car is to the competition. who cares about the rules its all about fun

carlo

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Porkie what a fuking prick

Chip

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Your car poses a MASSIVE threat to the competition if its allowed to run, cause it means that it will set a precadent that people can ignore the rules, so they will all have to rebuild their cars outside the rules to be competitive too.

If its all about fun, go and do an open pitlane where your car is allowed!

RichardPON

Really?

I thought trackdays were about fun, and competition was about racing according to a set of rules.

If you consider yourself so much a better and faster driver than everyone else and such a threat, why not build a car that DOES comply with the rules and show everyone how good you are through your results?

ian sibbert

Not one to disagree, but the focus aint a space framed car or a siloette type race car at all.....it looks to me more like a modified floor pan with extended tubular pick ups....it still retains the main road car structure (roof, pillars etc), the front end has been constructed in tube to merely hang the suspension and bodywork off.....all wrc car constuction is exactly the same, in fact the focus andrew has built is similar (modification wise) to an esc WRC (suspension pick-up points, track, body work widened). Merely the fact that the front is chopped back to help with re-location of the engine is irrelevant. If no chassis mods are eligable then that should be the case for all, but if they are at the interpretation of the race series organisers, it does sound like a fit up......

The series organisers should perhaps offer a handicap scheme based on weight/power....ask yourselves, would they let a WRC escort race, yes they probs would, should they let the focus race, yes they should....

The MSA would allow the car to run, even after the rule changes to K37 of the blue book, as M-Sport made great pains to adopt all variations of the focus, perhaps the time attack team need to embrace some of the MSA findings....

Personally i'd envisage the car being heavier, constructed as it is rather than if they'd have used pressed panels..

Chip

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Ian, I dont think anyone is disagreeing that they would like to see the car run or that its been done for a performance advantage, its blatantly been made the way it has mainly for ease of construction, but unfortunately, there is a rulebook and it doesnt conform to those rules, so demanding it be allowed to run even though it breaches the rules like the thread starter is doing is pointless.

Putting a well worded argument like your own through to the organisers might see changes (for next year) but stomping feet wont.

Every year I approach Chris Man at TOTB on a similar note, we have a viva who wants to run in the vauxhall team, its a TRUE road car (10,000 miles + road miles some years) its on sensible sized tyres etc, in every way it embodies the spirit of the event, but its banned for having "tubbed arches" even though they are only tubbed to allow it to be lowered, not to fit massive wheels which is the reason for the tubbed rule in the first place, so the car fits the spirit of the rules and not the letter of them, every year I approach Chris and ask him to look at rewording the rules, I hope at some point he sees sense and does so, especially considering they allow caterhams etc to run and they are essentially tubbed anyway, but at no point do I expect him to just say "oh fuck it, run anyway even though you are illegal"

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Ian, that's a major modification compared to the original inner-wing/chassis rail layout and the word "mearly" does not adequetly describe it.

GARETH T

its simple to me

it has tube chassis extensions! not eligible to race

It's Czech Mate

" I fought the law and the law won! "




Such a shame as its an awesome car, but its clearly outside of the regulations.

Nash

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Out of interest how much does it cost if i wanted to get a shell like Andys built? Then how much does it cost to modify a Focus the way Scotty does?

IMO if you want to race in a series then you read the rules first and build the car to meet them.

Porkie

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Fuck you!

You head is sooo up Andys ass you can't see the wood from the trees!!!

I really can't believe the things you are saying.... and how you can't see how wrong you are.

Its quite sad actually

The way you kept waffling on about the Lotus being spaceframed as well.... nice one

With all your obvious car knowledge are you going to be the Andys special independant scrutineer??

Garage19

After seeing time attack at silverstone i looked into what would be the optimum vehicle to base a club class entry on as i quite fancied building one.

I also had a good read of the rules and thought they made alot of sense.

They stopped you building a full race car from scratch and hiding it under a sillouette but also allowed one off creative engineering and car building.

I really like time attack and if any one is thinking of building a car i would love to be involved.

Garage19

Pretty simple rule. Why did Mr Gallagher not see it when he looked into entering?

Coldo

I dunno.... I can see why its being banned, as it IS breaking the rules.

However, not to play policeman.... but how can Andrew Gallaghers car be banned, for a relatively basic (in the grand scheme of things) tubular front end... when the norris evo is;
Crazy if you ask me! Maybe someone is scared of Andrews car??

Porkie

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Can anyone translate this into Scottish??? they may understand it then

Or maybe some pictures would help them??

Chip

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Cause he didnt bother to look I would imagine!

Porkie

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EXACTLY

Chip

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Its not banned cause it has allowed modifications, specifically as far as im aware it has all standard pickup points for the suspension etc.

How is it crazy to ban a car that doesnt comply with the rules and not ban a car that does comply with the rules?

As for being scared of the car, why would the organisers really care if its Andy or norris or lloydy or whoever who wins, any interesting car that draws a crowd (which the focus undoubtably is, its an awesome bit of kit by ANY standards!) is good for their bank balance!

carlo

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& yours isnt up martins listen to yourself

Nick.

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As for being scared of the car, why would the organisers really care if its Andy or norris or lloydy or whoever who wins, any interesting car that draws a crowd (which the focus undoubtably is, its an awesome bit of kit by ANY standards!) is good for their bank balance!

Well in that case why not let it enter then if they don't really care, as it would draw a lot more people from the ford scene knowing a ford is going to win

It's Czech Mate

Why not let Honda enter Jenson Button then you thick spaz?


Oh yeah, because the car breaks the rules

Mr Whippy

Its not rocket science is it??

Chip

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Because they want the event to be viewed as serious.

They dont care who wins, providing its a legal car!


Fuck me you cunts really cant be as thick as you all sound surely?


And as for Porkie, yes he is a million miles up martin's arse, its his best mate FFS, BUT I can absolutely fucking guarentee you that if Martin's car was trying to enter a competition that it didnt meet the rules for then Porkie would NOT be saying "let it run anyway" he would be telling martin to alter it so it could run or calling him a dumb cunt for not reading the rules.
Porkie is a man of intergrity who gives his honest opinion wether it suits his mates or not, which is why people tend to actually take some notice of him I guess!

andrewg

Really?

I thought trackdays were about fun, and competition was about racing according to a set of rules.

If you consider yourself so much a better and faster driver than everyone else and such a threat, why not build a car that DOES comply with the rules and show everyone how good you are through your results?
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i do race it. just thought it would be nice to do somethin different

Porkie

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Listen to myself??? do you realise what a prize twat you are looking like right now?

As I said. Its quite sad really...

and thanks Chip Thats exactly what I would be doing!

Chip

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And its a fucking shame that due to a breach of the wording of the rules (although I agree possibly not the spirit of them) that you cant use it for this, I personally (along with Porkie and everyone else on here defending the competition for sticking to tis guns on the rules) would have LOVED to have seen it go out there and do well.

But by all your mates coming on here shouting there mouths off like a bunch of spoilt little kids, it does you no favours at all IMHO

Nick.

Whoopse must learn to read or I might be called a mong again by some prick from the midlands..

Chip

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Nick, learn to fucking read you prick FFS

I said they DO want it to be viewed as a serious event!

It's Czech Mate

LEARN TO READ YOU MONG

Mr Whippy

PMSL @ mong

Nick.

MattRS1600i fuck you..you cunt

Chip-3door whoopse

ian sibbert

2-2. No tube frame vehicles or tube frame chassis extensions are permissible unless part of the OEM structure as defined in points 1-1 to 1.5. Space frame chassis are not permitted, additional triangulation and bracing of suspension turret/mounting points is allowed and as long as the modifications do not break condition 2-7.

So are we in agreement that it's the tube frame chassis extentions where the car doesn't comply? and nothing else (according to that extract from the rules, and can someone post rules 1-1 to 1-5)

JTECH James

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and you have! so fair play , but tbh you may aswell enter the "tour de france"

Chip

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Yes, thats what everyone in this thread defending the car's exclusion believes to be the case.

Obviously im not the scrutineer, so I dont "know" I just have an opinion, but my opinion is that the spaceframed front end with a couple of sheets welded onto it constitutes a "tube frame chassis extension" the "inner wings" on it arent structural, they are basically just a pair of mudflaps to stop the engine getting dirty!

Porkie

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Nick, are you from Scotland originally?

Its just that I have recently learned that the Jocks have trouble reading and understanding simple fucking English as well

Porkie

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Nick.

Nah definatly a midlander... just didn't read it properly.. For some reason my brain added "doesn't" in there

If I was scottish.. I would have killed myself by now

Porkie

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well you can't read that well but you are a funny fooooker I will give you that !!!!